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Volunteering
by Varun Singhal April 14, 2018

April 14, 2018

Hi team, I recently came to know about Pycon India 2018. I am excited to be there as a volunteer. I applied for conference and volunteering at Pycon Pune 2018 too. I am an engineering student and can provide technical help as a volunteer. Please respond with the complete procedure and information. Thanks!

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PyCon India 2018 - Venue and Sponsorship Details
by vijay kumar March 28, 2018

March 28, 2018

Hi All, As announced in the mailing list earlier, we have booked BIEC[0] for August 22nd - August 24th, 2018. Below are the payment details. Tentative cost: 14 Lakhs for 3 days Payment made: 10% : 2nd week of Dec Remaining payment: 20% : Feb 2018 20% : April 2018 50% : 1 month before the event. I would request the team leading PyCon India 2018 to connect with me so that I drop introductory email with BIEC team. On sponsorship, We reached out to all previous PyCon India sponsors We received confirmation from Pipal Academy (Associate sponsorship with 50% discount since they are supporting PyCon India from couple of years) for whom PSSI has raised invoice and I believe it was shared with the sponsor as well. Discussions were initiated by couple of other sponsors but have not received any confirmation, neither did I follow up with them after I stepped down. Request PyCon India 2018 team to connect with me if any additional details required, I would be happy to help. [0] : https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-December/011433.html Thanks, Vijay

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Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team
by chandan kumar March 22, 2018

March 22, 2018

Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the other members of the community, Sayan and I initially proposed to organize PyCon India's 10th anniversary in Bangalore [1]. During the initial planning phase, we had requested Bangpypers community to support [2]. We have done two face to face meetings in Bangalore and have had several hangout sessions. The minutes of the meetings were also posted to mailing lists. During the first face to face meeting at the Cafe Coffee Day near Forum Mall, Bangalore, we formed the team. We consulted Vijay and Vanitha to help in the core team. Vijay joined us as sponsorship & Python for Kids Track co-ordinator and Vanitha was helping Content, CFP, and other parts as required. The core team consisted of these 4 people to start with, apart from that, we had website, content and social media team for helping each other. We tried to keep all the discussions transparent on the mailing lists and IRC. We have done call for volunteers for every task as and when required. We wanted to follow 2014/2015 model of working and make the conference decentralized as that's how we can build future leaders for the community. Vijay laid the foundation for a decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always encouraged each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the task end to end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken PyCon India one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees had something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny that PyCon India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find the complete volunteers list [3]. I do not think there was transparency maintained in last two editions of PyCon India (2016 and 2017) where I and many other volunteers had helped in shaping the volunteering team on conference days. In spite of us raising concerns during PyCon India 2016 feedback sessions on bringing all the discussions in the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a particular group of people in their sacred Telegram groups without consulting the remaining community (makes me think of the high Priests culture). No concerns could have been raised by the community then as no community had a chance to get involved (thanks to those sacred groups of Lords and friends). Last year, even a profit-making organization was given permission to conduct hackathon without any discussion with the community. If anything would have gone wrong during the hackathon, it would have impacted the Python Community in India not a particular group of people and I am not sure if everything was analyzed before taking a call. We all saw one incident during the panel discussion, and how it was handled. We haven't even seen event report for last year from the organizers or PSSI, is not that a basic rule for the PSF grant? Where were all the folks who are commenting now when all this did not care? How would PSF trust us next time when we approach any grant? Are not we impacting whole Indian Python community with this act? There was a big discussion on Github access policy. How was the original access provided? Is it true that it was based on 1:1 Telegram discussion, as I haven't' seen any discussion here, now without the proper information he merged a request and we all spoke all policy? Can Anand C, Noufal, and Anand P share information on how original access was provided? Did you guys check if he was just reviewing? Is that really community way of working? Let me share how we all did in 2014 or in 2015. It was based on trust. Every year is a fresh start. We reconfigure access to email alias, social media, and other required locations. let us know if we misunderstood it? Coming to PSSI, they have given us n-steps on how invoices should be raised for sponsorship money, one step says they are the only people to share invoice as they are the statutorily accountable for invoices. We completely understand we wanted one changed in steps Sponsorship co-ordinator will loop PSSI board while we should be sending an invoice as continuity for discussion instead of PSSI suddenly sending the invoice as a surprise. The problem is it took 5 days for PSSI treasurer to accept our proposal, but other members did not agree. Looks like PSSI even don't trust that we will do it in right spirit and they are citing like a company where marketing team's job is to find a customer and let other teams take over. Does PSSI really trust any PyCon India volunteers? And that makes me think of a very interesting point. If the people (Lords?) running PSSI are so concerned about the community, why are you not involving the community in the organization (PSSI), instead kicked everyone else out from the organization (no one allowed us to renew our memberships)? Could anyone please tell me when was the last Annual General Meeting happened? So, please do not show your concern about the community when you do not care about the community at all. In the last thread, Vijay and Vanitha stepped down and we both are in there in core team still. Yet, you have asked for a new leadership team to run PyCon India 2018 without consulting us. Looks like you and others already have a plan in place and wanted us to move away. Since this community does not trust the core volunteers and most of the people had already had some plans made, I do not think we are needed here anymore. Sayan Chowdhury and I are stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team, I hope new team members will continue the work as they want. Links: [1]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011249.html [2]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-October/011872.html [3]. https://in.pycon.org/2015/team.html Thanks, Chandan Kumar & Sayan Chowdhury

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Sponsorship for PyCon India 2018
by Sayan Chowdhury March 11, 2018

March 11, 2018

Hi All, As the discussion for the venue is in progress. Let's kick off the discussion of the sponsorship. During the F2F discussion in last meeting, this is the sponsorship slab: - We would continue to have Platinum, Gold, Silver and Associate. - We plan to introduce two new slabs this year, Diamond and Kids sponsor. Here is the slab that was discussed during the meeting 1. Diamond - 10L 2. Platinum - 7L 3. Gold - 5L 4. Silver 3L 5. Kids - 2.5L 6. Associate - 1L - The Diamond sponsor would have a bunch of more facilitates, a sponsored talk which would get more attention, maybe in the main hall(but we need to discuss on this on more). - Kids Workshop sponsorship would be good to have in-kind but I don't think we should be restricted to that. But this sponsorship would drive the Kids Workshop and the hardware and other stuffs needed for driving the event. Comment with your thoughts on this sponsorship slabs or add points into the sponsorship slab/brochure. -- Sayan Chowdhury <https://sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org/> Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B Proud to work at The Open Organization!

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[X-POST][Announcement] Red Hat Hybrid Cloud Next 2018 Pune
by ganesh kadam Jan. 30, 2018

Jan. 30, 2018

Hello, We are pleased to announce, Red Hat Hybrid Cloud Next 2018 which is happening on 24th February 2018 at Sheraton Grand Pune Bund Garden. This is a one day conference. If you want to learn more about Red Hat's cloud portfolio that includes an integrated combination of open source technologies, container platform, massively-scalable private cloud infrastructure and unified management framework from experts, do RSVP for our cloud event at below link: ~~~ https://www.redhat.com/forms/?config=23491&sc_cid=701f2000000ttV4AAI ~~~ For more details, kindly head to links mentioned here [1][2] [1] https://www.redhat.com/en/events/red-hat-hybrid-cloud-next-2018#event-tab-0 [2] https://www.redhat.com/en/events/red-hat-hybrid-cloud-next-2018#event-tab-1 *Please note that the final selection of the attendees would be done by organizers primarily based on Cloud Experience and contributions. Limited Seats Only!! * *----* Regards, Ganesh Kadam irc: gkadam

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Is PyCon India "really open"?
by Shashank Kumar Jan. 23, 2018

Jan. 23, 2018

Hey folks, I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit differently than other FOSS groups/communities. After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and being an open community. Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware of it. [0] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Commits [1] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Issues [2] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/116#issuecomment-357253755 Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky

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PyCon India Leadership
by Anand Chitipothu Jan. 21, 2018

Jan. 21, 2018

Hello everyone, The recent thread has became to too big and I would like to move the discussion to the next course of action. That email thread is just a tip of the iceberg. There are many people who got offended by such behavior from Vijay and I was a victim a handful of times. I've decided to keep a distance from anything where he is involved. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Having said that let me also say that he has his contributions to PyCon India and the community where he deserves his share of credit. Given that he has led the conference for couple of years already and given the mood around, I think it is better for new people take the leadership and run the conference. What do you think? Anand

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Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"?
by Shashank Kumar Jan. 13, 2018

Jan. 13, 2018

Hi Vijay, > Firstly Thanks for bringing this up. > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were reviewing > things without knowing anything about it . > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? > Is that open source volunteering? > > Thanks, > Vijay I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and commenting on both the platforms. And imho, this should not be the criteria for a person to be able to review PR. PRs on github can be reviewed keeping code as a prospective also, so I reviewed after checking that the PR can be successfully deployed. Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky

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Re: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 103, Issue 32
by Raghav Raghu Jan. 13, 2018

Jan. 13, 2018

please help me unsubscribe this inpycon update. Thanks & Regards, Raghavendra On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:00 AM, <inpycon-request(a)python.org> wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (vijay kumar) > 2. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (Peeyush Aggarwal) > 3. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (Bibhas Ch Debnath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:56:58 +0530 > From: vijay kumar <vnbang2003(a)gmail.com> > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <inpycon(a)python.org> > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? > Message-ID: > <CAHX9ajSpVJ2eP6kcj03byXEEb4XFPZmWRmXyfmMq5cmnXa4nng@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. > Just > > like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And > > respect has to be earned. > > > Agreed . > No more response on this thread. Lets respect each other and work for > PyCon India 2018. > > > > > > > > > > >> >

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Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"?
by Ankur Gupta Jan. 12, 2018

Jan. 12, 2018

>> There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of >> reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? >> > Let alone contributing otherwise, I am now reluctant to even post my views in this thread, because none of those will be responded to, they will be ignored and we will get replies as if none of the views here matter. Regards, Ankur Gupta I corrected wrong thing. > Probably right sentence is I pointed wrong things. > > >> > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

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