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RE: v2.3, 2.4, and 2.5's GUI is slow for me
by Duncan Booth Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

Michael.Coll-Barth(a)VerizonWireless.com wrote: >> I don't use IDLE too much anymore, just for quick tests, but > > Just curious. I have tried IDLE, but stopped using it after going > through a few of the tutorials. I just type things in at the 'python' > prompt, regardless of which platform I am working on; Linux, AIX or > Windows. But, then again, my code winds up in a batch process or part > of a web app. > > Is there something cool I am missing? > The main plus of idle for me is that in interactive mode I can easily pull back any single statement (e.g. a complete class definition) edit and then re-execute it. The command line only pulls back single lines for editing, not complete statements. Also the ways to pull back a previous command are simpler. As well as typing the start of a command then using alt-p to pull it back you can look through the buffer, put the cursor on a command and hit return to get an editable copy.

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Re: How to read the directory which the actively running python file is located in?
by Gerold Penz Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

Michael Malinowski schrieb: > Is there a way to read the directory that the currently running python file > is located in? Hi Mike! To get the started program: sys.argv[0] Don´t use ``os.curdir``. To get the filename, of the current module: __file__ To get the directory: os.path.split(sys.argv[0])[0] os.path.split(__file__)[0] Regards, Gerold :-) -- ________________________________________________________________________ Gerold Penz - bcom - Programmierung gerold.penz(a)tirol.utanet.at | http://gerold.bcom.at | http://sw3.at Ehrliche, herzliche Begeisterung ist einer der wirksamsten Erfolgsfaktoren. Dale Carnegie

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Watch Alex Jones' Terror Storm, Bohemian Grove, Arrest Video, on video.google.com and infowars.com
by st911＠rock.com Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

The one who digs a trap for others falls into it himself. - Moral law of all religions. ====================== Our confidence in 911 controlled demolition is such that we have invited people to see the truth under the pretext of debunking it. This letter was sent to professors in many US/Europe/China/India/Brazil Universities and please do not hesitate to duplicate. Volunteers are needed. Now please send this to county police stations, fire chiefs, City governments, police sheriffs, judges, magistrates, doctors, lawyers, highschools and all institutions of civil govermnents. ====================== Dear Professor, Ever since the crime of the century on 9/11/2001, there have been many conspiracy theories woven around the incident, and even 1 Million challenge/reward has been posted: http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm Some say that jet fuel cannot melt iron because car accident fires and plane fires have never melted even the steel body of the car or the aluminum body of the plane involved in a traffic accident. Only thermite can melt so much so fast. The conspiracy theorists have erected an enormous body of evidence and we APPEAL you to apply your intellectual power to the known facts and debunk the conspiracy theorists who are now the university professors and a blot on your occupation. Much of their theory is based on the hypothesis of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION based on compositional analysis, finding numerous pieces of columns with diagonal cuts for ejection, pyroclastic flow from pulverization of concrete into fluidized dust, and numerous testimonies of explosions, which they present in videos on the internet. They object that the pentagon was not hit by a plane and FBI confiscated all the pentagon videos. Furthermore, they have shown by producing a side by side video of Osama that his confession video is a fake, and they call it a synthetic terror. Please visit their sites to debunk their spins: www.scholarsfor911truth.org www.journalof911studies.org http://www.journalof911studies.com/JonesAnswersQuestionsWorldTradeCenter.pdf They are using videos to make a spin in the tradition of Edward L Bernays (Freud's Nephew, see wikipedia on him, and watch the video on how he broke the taboo and convinced women to smoke.). They claim that the government used explosives to bring down the buildings in controlled demolition, and used thermate to manufacture molten metal pools to put the blame on smoky jet fuel fire which is ice cold for melting steel. Please search google web for thermate using this link: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&as_epq=thermate In the results you will find these videos that show their argument on thermate in brief: http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA&mode=related http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216 They have put popular mechanics in retreat as in this audio debate with popular mechanics 5MB Audio download: http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=158 found via http://911blogger.com/node/2278?page=2 ============================================================== They are also calling professor Noam Chomsky as the gate keeper of the left. Here are the links: Here's the discovery path: On st911.org visit this: Hugo Chavez and the sulfuric odor of "devil" Bush 22 September 2006, onlinejournal.com, Larry Chin http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1234.shtml There, visit this: Alternative Media Censorship http://questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html ============================================================== There are a lot of government grants available for research on this subject intimately linked to terrorism. We ask you as concerned citizens to exert your intellectual capabilities on this subject and give an ethical public opinion. If you can find a general thermodynamic type result that their conspiracy theory is impossible and that the cars that burn in accidents can melt their steel body and planes can melt their aluminum from jet fuel or a plane crash can quickly cause mixing of the needed reactants to produce a fast thermate reaction with sulfur from the gypsum wall board, the Administration would have won. Thank you for your time, fortitude and intellectual honesty. If you know someone in departments of Mechanical Engineering, Structural Engineering, Combustion Science and Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, Materials Science, Metallurgy who would have expertise in the subject, please pass on the email and just view the videos as a responsible informed citizen and for its highly entertaining value. There is also a lot of material to work with for your subject area of research and study. Concerned Citizens Appeal to you !!! We have sent this email to select recipients who will be proud of the government and know how to propagate the information intelligently. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml If any of the video links dont work, and censored, just visit video.google.com and also youtube.com and search for terms like "thermate" "911 fraud" "steven jones" "alex jones" and you shall find a lot of stuff. Finally one more video archive: http://oldamericancentury.com/video_arch.htm Please prove your government right so that you can be again proud of it. Sincerely, Wolfgang Aushner Concerned Citizens Appeal to you one last time thru this email !!! ============================================================== THEY REJECT CONFESSION VIDEOS BASED ON THE BIO-METRICS MISMATCH of fat-nosed Osama with the actual Osama. American Patriot Friends Network http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm ============================================================== Here's their argument from one website: The exact goal of 9/11 was to create the appearance of a terrorist operation and large death toll. Some people had to be sacrificed and the ideological motive came from the training in skull and bones and the Bohemian Grove that Alex Jones has so admirably exposed in a great piece of investigative journalism and the full video of his penetration in that evil bohemian grove is on google. Although the building was demolished, intentionally with people inside, the blame for demolition had to be put on the "terrorists" and a plausible agent had to be found. The only plausible agent that could be found was fire. The impact of the plane could not bring the buildings down. If fire had to be made the scapegoat, and fire was not, thermite was to do its job secretly and put the blame on the jet fuel. They thought that the dynamics of combustion and fire is complex enough that people will not be able to figure it out. Thats why thermate was used. Unfortunately, this is their undoing as thermate was a single piece of evidence that shows the inside job. Someone had to plant it. Once our minds became free and we were on the right track of thinking, we began to see even more. Dust and paper => explosives, ie shattering agent. Horizontal ejection velocity => an agent other than gravity. Demolition wave ahead of free fall => not just explosives but synchronized explosives. WT7 without plane hitting => to reinforce the illusion of fire, but it is a demolition Who had the means, motive and opportunity ? Marvin Bush ran the security firm. There were power shutdowns to disable security cameras. The detonation cables were laid down under the pretext of ethernet cables. Were coaxials were used to synchronize explosions??? Bomb sniffing dogs were removed to prevent discovery. The gatekeeper robbed the bank. Most successful bank robberies involve a conspiracy of inside job. ========================

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Re: String formatters with variable argument length
by John Machin Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

Fredrik Tolf wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 16:26 -0800, John Machin wrote: > > Fredrik Tolf wrote: > [...] > > > The thing is, I want to get format strings from the user, and I don't > > > want to require the user to consume all the arguments. docs.python.org > > > doesn't seem to have any clues on how to achieve this, and I can't think > > > of what to google for. > > > > Three approaches spring to mind. In descending order of my preference: > > > > (a) don't do that > > It would be a possibility, since all current uses actually do have the > right number of parameters. I would just like to keep the option > available. > > > (b) parse the format string, counting the number of args required. If > > the user has supplied more, throw them away. > > I was thinking of that, but it just seems far too ugly. what's ugly about this: [untested]: def count_format_args(s): pending = False count = 0 for c in s: if c == "%": # doubled % chars aren't counted pending = not pending elif pending: count += 1 pending = False return count output = format % arglist[:count_format_args(format)] > > > (c) wrap your execution of format_string % args in a try/except > > bracket. If you get a TypeError with that message [not guaranteed to > > remain constant in the future], throw away the last arg and go around > > again. > > That might be a good possibility. Thanks for the idea! I do consider it > quite a bit ugly, but that often happens when languages try to police > programmers... :P > > > As a matter of curiosity, why don't you want the user to consume all > > the arguments? Don't they get even a teensy-weensy warning message? Are > > you writing a Perl interpreter in Python? > > Well basically, I'm rewriting a autodownloader for a file-sharing > network in Python (previously written as a bash script, using the printf > command), and I have a number of files scattered over my hard drive > specifying search expressions, into which a potentially optional episode > number can be inserted using sprintf-like arguments (using > fsexpr="`printf "$sexpr" "$curep"`" in bash). I would like to keep it as > a printf parameter, in order to be able to write e.g. %02i, and I would > like to keep it optional, for downloading non-episoded stuff. > > I couldn't help noticing that the named variant of the % operator (using > a dict, that is) doesn't require all its arguments to be consumed. Using > that would require me to rewrite *all* the existing files, though. So offer the named variant as an option for new users or new uses by old users. Cheers, John

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Ruby/Python/REXX as a MUCK scripting language
by Tony Belding Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

I'm interested in using an off-the-shelf interpreted language as a user-accessible scripting language for a MUCK. I'm just not sure if I can find one that does everything I need. The MUCK must be able to call the interpreter and execute scripts with it, but the interpreter must also be able to call functions in the MUCK code. And then there's the security issue that really worries me. . . I have to be able to limit what the interpreter can execute. I can't have my users running scripts that access the console, access the filesystem or sockets directly, or call libraries or other binaries outside the MUCK. Is this practical? I'm thinking of Ruby or Python for this, if they can meet the requirements. I might even consider REXX. . . I remember ARexx from my Amiga days, and how great it was for string manipulation and application scripting. However. . . My immediate target platform, Mac OS X, comes with Ruby and Python but not REXX, so that's a disadvantage. My final option would be to create my own language interpeter where I have control over everything that happens. That is what MUCKs have always done in the past. But the result was always quirky, limited languages like MUF (Multi-User Forth) which really turn off a lot of coders. Furthermore, I've never created a language before, and it would be a lot of extra work for me. -- Tony Belding, Hamilton Texas

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RE: v2.3, 2.4, and 2.5's GUI is slow for me
by Michael.Coll-Barth＠VerizonWireless.com Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Salerno > > I don't use IDLE too much anymore, just for quick tests, but Just curious. I have tried IDLE, but stopped using it after going through a few of the tutorials. I just type things in at the 'python' prompt, regardless of which platform I am working on; Linux, AIX or Windows. But, then again, my code winds up in a batch process or part of a web app. Is there something cool I am missing? The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you.

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Re: v2.3, 2.4, and 2.5's GUI is slow for me
by John Salerno Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

g4rlik wrote: > I've been asking all over the place, namely different forums. I even > e-mailed help(a)python.org about my problem, but they couldn't assist me too > much. > > My problem is..the GUI for versions 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5 of Python run very > sluggishly. When I type in them or move them around my desktop, it's very > slow. I have figured out that this is because of the subprocesses running. I don't use IDLE too much anymore, just for quick tests, but I noticed this from the beginning as well. It's sluggish when you drag it around the screen. Not sure why.

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by Thomas Ploch Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

Amir Michail schrieb: > krishnakant Mane wrote: >> just used the py dev plugin for eclipse. >> it is great. > > But isn't support for java better because the eclipse ide can take > advantage of explicit type declarations (e.g., for intellisense, > refactoring, etc.)? > > Amir Obviously, since eclipse _is_ a full blown Java application, so support for Java is excellent. It was actually developed for being a Java IDE but (as far as I know) people were liking it so much, so they decided to make it expandable (and PyDev is actually a good thing, it supports PyLint and PyChecker, manages the python path when new modules are added, but can be improved (as can everything :-) )). But as I said, often my system hangs when having quite a few files opened, so that brought me off using it too often. Thomas -- "Ein Herz für Kinder" - Ihre Spende hilft! Aktion: www.deutschlandsegelt.de Unser Dankeschön: Ihr Name auf dem Segel der 1. deutschen America's Cup-Yacht!

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Functions, callable objects, and bound/unbound methods
by Ron Garret Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

If I do this: def f(self): print self class c1: pass setattr(c1, 'm1', f) Then f is automagically transmogrified into the appropriate sort of method depending on how it is used: >>> c1.m1 <unbound method c1.f> >>> c1().m1 <bound method c1.f of <__main__.c1 instance at 0x51e738>> >>> c1().m1() <__main__.c1 instance at 0x51ec60> Note that m1 gets passed a self argument. The same automatic transmogrification does not happen if I use an callable instance instead of an actual function object: class callable: def __call__(self, *args, **kw): return args, kw >>> setattr(c1, 'm2', callable()) >>> c1.m2 <__main__.callable instance at 0x51e738> >>> c1().m2 <__main__.callable instance at 0x51e738> >>> c1().m2() ((), {}) Note that no selfarg has been passed to m2. The reason I want to do this is that I want to implement a trace facility that traces only specific class methods. I want to say: trace(c1.m1) and have c1.m1 be replaced with a wrapper that prints debugging info before actually calling the old value of m1. The reason I want that to be an instance of a callable class instead of a function is that I need a place to store the old value of the method so I can restore it, and I don't want to start building a global data structure because that gets horribly ugly, and a callable class is the Right Thing -- if there's a way to actually make it work. Is there? I tried the obvious things (like making callable inherit from function, and adding im_func and im_self attribuetes) but they didn't work. Thanks, rg

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Simple question on indexing
by Tartifola Dec. 1, 2006

Dec. 1, 2006

Hi, I would like to obtain the position index in a tuple when an IF statement is true. Something like >>>a=['aaa','bbb','ccc'] >>>[ ??? for name in a if name == 'bbb'] >>>1 but I'm not able to find the name of the function ??? in the python documentation, any help? Thanks

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