🌐 Mailman 3 May 1996 - Pythonmac-SIG - python.org

Yes, but can it do... THIS?
by Joseph Strout Jan. 22, 1997

Jan. 22, 1997

I encountered "Chipmunk Basic" for the Mac the other day. It's a freeware BASIC implementation which can do some pretty nifty stuff in its Mac version, such as sprites (shapes which arrange themselves in layers, move around without clobbering the background or each other, and provide for collision detection). I've been looking for a language to get some young brothers-in-law into programming, and sprites would be a big plus (gives a language "Pac-Man equivalence"). But BASIC is pretty nasty by modern standards; Python is much nicer. So. Any sprite libraries for Mac Python yet? Thanks, -- Joe ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Department of Neuroscience, UCSD | | jstrout(a)ucsd.edu http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/ | `------------------------------------------------------------------' ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Python workshop
by Jack Jansen May 29, 1996

May 29, 1996

Folks, Fred Drake asked the various SIG organizers whether their SIG wanted to present anything, organize a SIG sessions, etc. However, since I'm not going to the workshop *I* definitely won't be organizing anything. If members of the list want to get together during the workshop please contact Fred as soon as possible. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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please make numeric python available when it's ready
by da＠maigret.cog.brown.edu May 29, 1996

May 29, 1996

I don't remember who said they'd work on patching the new python w/ the numeric extension, but when they do, I'd like a copy -- and I suspect others would too. If that person doesn't have a place to put it and python.org is deemed an unsuitable place for non-release software, I could host it. Thanks in advance. --david ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor
by friedric＠rose.rsoc.rockwell.com May 28, 1996

May 28, 1996

|> From: Ivan Herman <Ivan.Herman(a)cwi.nl> |> Sender: owner-pythonmac-sig(a)python.org |> Yes, I did use both of them. Alpha is much richer than BBEdit; you can be an |> Alpha hacker just as you can be an Emacs hacker! (One can have various modes, |> with different keysetting and all that stuff, all written in Tcl). As a ... |> However, all this has a price: Alpha is big, slow to start up, takes a lot of |> memory. Ideally, one uses it as using emacs on UNIX: start it when |> bootstrapping the machine, and leave it as a background. However, if memory is |> low... These were the main reasons why I switched to BBEdit: it is smaller, |> faster, and gives most of what you need. All this is a personal choice, |> however. I've used BBeditLite for a while now and I do like it but what I need is a python mode. I even got emacs for the Mac. It's a full implimentation of GNU 18.xx emacs and python-mode.el does work with it but it is very keyboard driven (e.g. you can't drag select anything, and I can't live without that). Alpha looks like a fine compromise. It starts up quick for me (because of the machine I run on, performance and memory consumption is not a problem:-) But Alpha is just screaming for a python mode. -Robin ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Alpha Editor
by Jack Jansen May 28, 1996

May 28, 1996

Recently, Guido van Rossum <guido(a)CNRI.Reston.Va.US> said: > > Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a > > python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do > > it myself(groan). > > I haven't written a Python mode for it yet, but I do use (and love!) Alpha. > If you come up with something I would be able to beta test & bugfix it. Anyone here who has used both BBEdit and Alpha? I'm pretty fond of BBEdit (I *love* the startup speed), does Alpha have features that BBEdit misses? -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Alpha Editor
by friedric＠rose.rsoc.rockwell.com May 28, 1996

May 28, 1996

Just checking - Is there anyone using the Alpha text editor and hacked a python mode for it?? Otherwise I'll have to learn TCL enough to do it myself(groan). -Robin ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by demars＠netcom.com May 25, 1996

May 25, 1996

At 11:53 PM 5/24/96, Jack Jansen wrote: >No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I >know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the >extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do >that. > >Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source >distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? > >If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, >somewhere halfway july. >-- >Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ >Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ >http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm > >================= >PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh > >send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org >administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org >================= I have (a), (b) and (c). I may have (d) this weekend. I have previously melded the numeric stuff into a previous version of Python for the Mac, and it wasn't too hard, but it didn't have all the features of the more recent versions of MacPython (like Tk support). Now that I have the "whole kit" for 1.3.3 I'll see if I can come up with a build with Numeric Python built in. For the information of those interested, there is a little more to it than simply adding a module (although that is required too). The Numeric Python code augments the Python parser to allow it to understand the extensions to the indexing syntax, as well as to recognize complex constants and maybe other stuff I can't think of right now. I know the latest Python release can parse the complex constants now, but probably doesn't parse the other stuff yet. Anyhow, my point is that the Python interpreter has to be recompiled with some files modified to support the numeric syntax, you can't just add a module. - Dennis D. ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 24, 1996

May 24, 1996

No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do that. Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, somewhere halfway july. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Trouble installing Python 1.3.3
by guzdial＠cc.gatech.edu May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

I can't seem to get Python 1.3.3 installed. I tossed Python Preferences and PythonCore, as instructed, but when I start, a Preferences file is created, but MkPluginAliases still complains that it can't find the os module. I played around with it (using Python68K to help explore), and it seems that the Preferences file that 1.3.3 creates doesn't match the current file structure. Has anyone been able to figure out a workaround? It occurred to me that if I re-installed 1.3.2 (I wiped it when I brought in 1.3.3, unfortunately), I could edit the Prefs to match the new file structure, and then I should be able to move over to 1.3.3 -- assuming that 1.3.2 and 1.3.3 had the same Preferences file format. If you've got it installed successfully, could you send me a copy of your Preferences file? Thanks! Mark -------------------------- Mark Guzdial : Georgia Tech : College of Computing : Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 (404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial(a)cc.gatech.edu http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/Mark.Guzdial.html ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

Recently, "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <jeff(a)ollie.clive.ia.us> said: > > I haven't taken a look at the Mac Python yet (way too much real work for > me to do) but how much use is being made of the shared library > functionality available in the latest releases of the Mac OS? I know that > this would probably tie the interpreter to newer releases of the > operating system but it should make the interpreter itself much smaller > as well as saving space if standalone applications are ever produced. PPC python does use the Code Fragment Manager, and has most modules in dynamically loadable libraries (hence they don't bother you until you use them). 68K Python will use CFM68K at some point, but I'm currently too busy to look into it. Some work has already be done on it by Guido and myself, so anyone with CW9 (or possibly CW8) could have a stab at it. The older shared-library architectures (ASLM, Code fragments, Component mgr, XFCN's) don't have enough functionality for Python (mainly the ability to do back-and-forth references). -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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