🌐 Mailman 3 November 1998 - Pythonmac-SIG - python.org

IDE & MacOS 8.5?
by Just van Rossum Nov. 28, 1998

Nov. 28, 1998

I just learned from Andrew Mckenzie that the Mac Python IDE refuses to work under MacOS 8.5. Since I don't have 8.5 yet, could someone help me isolate the problem? I would probably have to send the sources. These will also be included in the next MacPython release (hopefully shortly after Guido releases 1.5.2b1). It would be nice if I could get rid of the problem before then. Thanks in advance. Just

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permutation of lists
by the hafler trio Nov. 26, 1998

Nov. 26, 1998

helloo. I have a situation where I wish to permutate a list in all its possible combinations, given that one can compute the number of permutations with the formula as so: given a list with 5 elements, the number of permutations = 1x2x3x4x5. here is the definition file: def permute(list): if not list: return [list] else: res = [] for i in range(len(list)): rest = list[:i] + list[i+1:] for x in permute(rest): res.append(list[i:i+1] + x) return res then, I import.... which gives simply: >>> from permcomb import * >>> permute([1,2,3]) [[1, 2, 3]] which is quite obviously not what I am after. this works on a Linux box. why, then, not on the Mac? can anyone enlighten me here? best andrew mckenzie

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Module ctb example(s)?
by FoulCraven＠aol.com Nov. 25, 1998

Nov. 25, 1998

Does anyone have any simple working examples of using the module ctb to send and receive serial data? No modem or anything, just straight serial data. I've tried several ways to make it work but nothing so far has. An example would be muchly appreciated. Thanks, David DiCarlo

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: OSA compliance
by Jack Jansen Nov. 20, 1998

Nov. 20, 1998

Recently, Bob Savage <savage(a)2xtreme.net> said: > I looked at the OSA stuff that came with Py 1.5, but I decided against > getting involved with it at this stage because it said that the whole model > for inter-application messaging was going to be rewritten. Has there been > any progress on this front? There has been some progress, in that various of the other selectors are now implemented (since 1.5.1). However, what I envisioned when I mentioned the "rewrite" will probably not happen, unless someone else picks it up. What I would have liked was to be able to do things like the following in Python: f = Finder() for folder in f.OpenWindows: if f.FolderName == 'blabla': f.CloseWindow() (forgive the names, they're progbably wrong, no mac near at the moment). The point here is that it would be really nice if OSA object identifiers were first-class Python objects, which you could get the attributes of with the usual Python syntax, and on which you could call methods to invoke operations with direct objects. But, I guess I won't have the time to work on this for the forseeable future:-( -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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Re: OSA compliance
by Bob Savage Nov. 18, 1998

Nov. 18, 1998

Steven D. Majewski wrote: >I'm forwarding this for the >second item about OSA/scripting support in Mac OS Runtime for Java: > > <http://stories.userland.com/ticketReader$18> > > >I haven't looked at the examples referred to in the new release yet, >so I'm not exactly sure what you can do with it, but it's clearly >another way to integrate Java and CPython on the Mac. This is very interesting indeed! It seems that any OSA-compliant language could fully use the Java Gui facilities. I looked at the OSA stuff that came with Py 1.5, but I decided against getting involved with it at this stage because it said that the whole model for inter-application messaging was going to be rewritten. Has there been any progress on this front? Bob (who is not a nimble enough programmer to adapt quickly when APIs change) Bob

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[ The Judge, Java, Windows, Mac, XML (fwd) ]
by Steven D. Majewski Nov. 17, 1998

Nov. 17, 1998

Although the top story, both for Dave and infoworld, news.com, and others is the java injunction, I'm forwarding this for the second item about OSA/scripting support in Mac OS Runtime for Java: <http://stories.userland.com/ticketReader$18> I haven't looked at the examples referred to in the new release yet, so I'm not exactly sure what you can do with it, but it's clearly another way to integrate Java and CPython on the Mac. - Steve Majewski ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:19:28 GMT From: DaveNet email <dave(a)scripting.com> To: DaveNet World <davenet-world(a)scripting.com> Subject: The Judge, Java, Windows, Mac, XML ------------------------------------- >From Scripting News... It's DaveNet! Released on 11/17/98; 7:19:25 PM PST ------------------------------------- Earlier today a judge in San Jose issued an injunction forcing Microsoft to either stop shipping Java Runtime with Windows and Internet Explorer, or to ship a Java Runtime that is compatible with the Java Runtime that Sun ships. The judge also ordered Microsoft to stop selling development tools for Java unless they are modified to be compatible with the Java that Sun ships. The San Jose Mercury-News has the full story: <http://www.sjmercury.com/breaking/headline1/006869.htm> This may give Sun a lot of power. They will control a large number of bits on the Microsoft OS distribution, unless Microsoft decides to back off Java, and let Java find its own way onto Windows users' hard disks. I asked Bill Gates about this in a phone conversation late last year. "Why not just omit Java?" I asked. He said they needed Java to be competitive in the browser space. No doubt there's some interesting discussions going on in Redmond tonight! ***In the meantime The ruling comes, coincidentally, on the day we discovered that Apple's Java Runtime for the Mac has extensive, very interesting, hooks into the script runtime environment on the Mac OS. <http://stories.userland.com/ticketReader$18> What a trip. As Microsoft is forced to back off their Windows-specific additions to Java, Apple is quietly shipping a Java that bonds at a very intimate level with the Mac OS. It's funny! And fun... ***Apple and XML One final question. Mac and publishing. Big business, right? XML and publishing. A perfect match, right? So why is there no system-level XML parser for the Mac? <http://stories.userland.com/ticketReader$17> Apple, would you like some help here? We know some excellent Mac developers who know XML and work for reasonable money. Let's get this going! Dave Winer (Who is proud to be both a Windows and Mac developer.) ------------------------------------------- Scripting News: <http://www.scripting.com/>

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] HMGetHelpMenuHandle() ?
by Jack Jansen Nov. 9, 1998

Nov. 9, 1998

> > May be I've missed it, but I cannot find HMGetHelpMenuHandle(). > Is it available somewhere ? If not, will it be supported later ? It is in the Help module. > BTW: What's about a generic sysCall(address,*params) and > get/setSysVar(address,value) ? In case this is possible it > wouldn't be nessecary to support all these functions with > minor importance. The calldll module has this, to an extent. It is not very heavily supported, though, since (a) it's dangerous, (b) I myself usually just add new C modules as I need them and (c) I haven't gotten all that many reports of people using it. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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HMGetHelpMenuHandle() ?
by Peter Sommerfeld Nov. 9, 1998

Nov. 9, 1998

May be I've missed it, but I cannot find HMGetHelpMenuHandle(). Is it available somewhere ? If not, will it be supported later ? BTW: What's about a generic sysCall(address,*params) and get/setSysVar(address,value) ? In case this is possible it wouldn't be nessecary to support all these functions with minor importance. thanks - Peter ------------------------ peter.sommerfeld(a)gmx.de ------------------------

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