🌐 Mailman 3 July 1999 - Pythonmac-SIG - python.org

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Error in PyDebugger.py / bdb.py
by savageb Aug. 16, 1999

Aug. 16, 1999

> Try replacing bdb.py with the attached file. > > Just > That didn't fix it. I get the following traceback: File "bdb.py", line 248, in clear_all_file_breaks blist = Breakpoint.bplist[filename, line] or : File "bdb.py", line 223, in clear_break for bp in Breakpoint.bplist[filename, lineno][:]: depending on whether I am trying to clear all or just the single breakpoint. I am going to try a clean reinstall of Python, just to make sure I don't have something else messed up. Bob

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] stat(), alias files
by Jack Jansen July 29, 1999

July 29, 1999

> This bugs me. It seems that code that uses os.stat and the time module > ought to be portable and ignorant of the fact that MacOS times are > different from Python times. I'd have thought that the times returned by > stat would be in Python times. Oh well. I agree that it's a real bother, but I never fixed this because I was afraid of breaking other time-compatability (between os.stat() and fsspec.GetFInfo(), for instance). OTOH, it could be argued that compatability between os.time() and os.stat(), both being unix-emulation routines, is more important. Hmm, I think I just convince myself:-), unless anyone quickly disagrees I'll fix the times. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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stat(), alias files
by Doug Wyatt July 28, 1999

July 28, 1999

I've encountered a couple of small things with Mac Python 1.5.1 and 1.5.2b1. 1. A file modification time returned by os.stat() is 4 years in the past compared to a time constructed with time.mktime(). I suspect this is a GUSI issue. 2. I've been writing programs to scan directories, and keep tripping over alias files. It's particularly problematic when I use macfs.ResolveAliasFile and there pops up a dialog to insert a CD or mount a server. I'd rather just ignore alias files rather than pass every single file/directory I encounter to ResolveAliasFile. Have I missed a call that will tell me whether a file is an alias? I could test FInfo.Flags (where 0x8000 is kIsAlias), but I don't see a way to fetch a file's FInfo. Should the FInfo __init__ take an FSSpec/full path argument for the file whose info is to be fetched? It tolerates being passed an argument, but always seems to return a zero-filled FInfo, as the documentation says it will. I'd be happy to dig in and fix things if I knew what the right places for the fixes would be. TIA, Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug(a)sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/

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Using Spaces for indentation in IDE
by Chris Barker July 26, 1999

July 26, 1999

HI folks, I am struggling with getting the interaction between using Python scripts on both Linux and the Mac. The problem is the spaces vs tabs indentation. Emacs Python mode uses spaces. the Mac IDE and all the editors I've found so far use tabs. This can be a major pain in the butt, and I don't want to have to run a conversion script every time I go back and forth. These seem to be my options: Set up emacs mode to use tabs: It doesn't seem obvious to me how to do this, but I'm trying. Can the IDE be set up to use just spaces for indentation? I'd like it to be just like Emacs mode. Get the Alpha Python mode to act like emacs -Thanks -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. cbarker(a)jps.net --- --- --- http://www.jps.net/cbarker -----@@ -----@@ -----@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ Water Resources Engineering ------ @ ------ @ ------ @ Coastal and Fluvial Hydrodynamics ------- --------- -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython - Guido
by Chris Barker July 26, 1999

July 26, 1999

Well, I'm glad the GUI thing is still being discussed. The problem with committing to Tkinter because of the Mac support is that the Mac support is not so good. To tell you the truth, I have been completely unimpressed with Tkinter on both windows and Mac, It really does work a lot better on Unix. I'm kind of disapointed that we have to be dependent on another organisation (Scriptics) and another language (tcl) for GUI support. I believe: "Define it and they will build it!" If a GUI standard were declared, people would probably write the code to make it work on all the major platforms. wxWindows, for one, seems to be almost ready on the Mac, so wxPython could be a good choice. It has some nice features, and is not dependent on another interpreted language. It would still be dependent on the wxWindows project, but that's all open source code, and could be adopted by the Python community in the future if neccesary. What we REALLY REALLY need is a cross platform GUI toolbox that is good enough that people would use it even if they don't need a cross platform solution. Does anyone on this list use Tkinter on the Mac for apps they are only going to run on the Mac? Am I the only one that need a Linux-Mac solution ? Well, that's my rant of the day. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. cbarker(a)jps.net --- --- --- http://www.jps.net/cbarker -----@@ -----@@ -----@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ Water Resources Engineering ------ @ ------ @ ------ @ Coastal and Fluvial Hydrodynamics ------- --------- -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re:RE: editor for python on the mac
by Christopher Barker July 22, 1999

July 22, 1999

All: Thanks for the helpfull replies. I've got python mode for Alpha, thanks to Rob Managan (thanks Rob). I still don't have it doing indenting like I'd like, but I'll play with it and see if I can get it to do it. Just: One more vote for colorization in the IDE. Imperfect Colorization is fine. I don't use multiline strings that often anyway. Also, can the IDE be set to use apaces instead of tabs for indenting? That would make it compatable with Emacs mode. While I'm on Emacs python mode: Can I set it to use tabs instead of spaces? I really don't care, as long as it's consistent. Frankly, I kind of wish Python only allowed one or the other, then we wouldn't have this problem. Joe strout suggested that I use a converter when I go back and forth, which would certainly work, but really would be too much of a pain. I want to be able to put a script on my Linux box Appletalk server that others can put on their Mac and run and edit without a lot of hassle. Thanks for everyone's input. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. cbarker(a)jps.net --- --- --- http://www.jps.net/cbarker -----@@ -----@@ -----@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ Water Resources Engineering ------ @ ------ @ ------ @ Coastal and Fluvial Hydrodynamics ------- --------- -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython - Guido
by savageb July 21, 1999

July 21, 1999

As it turned out Guido came into town and spoke at a local Python enthusiasts meeting (BayPIGgies) tonight. The question of GUIs came up; it sounds like the main reason he prefers Tkinter is because the support for Macs in the other frameworks is/has been so week (and Tk has guaranteed support from Scriptics on Unix, Windows, and MacOS). He also said it might be time to have another discussion at the Python conference next January regarding GUI options, now that the other frameworks have had a chance to mature. BTW, some more Mac things came up, nothing big, but there was some minor discussion of MacOS X, and Guido said he was sure he would eventually get another Mac. ;) Bob

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] RE: editor for python on the mac
by Bill Dozier July 21, 1999

July 21, 1999

>From: "Joseph J. Strout" <joe(a)strout.net> >Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] RE: editor for python on the mac >>3) no colorization. (is this in the works?) > > Yes, it's actually been there for a while, but Just is reluctant to release > it because it isn't perfect (it can get confused when multi-line strings > are involved, and when this happens you have to hit a command key to > re-colorize the entire file). This happens to me sometimes in Xemacs (on Solaris) using the most up-to-date python-mode. It's no reason not to release the feature! >If you think that even imperfect > colorization is worlds better than no colorization at all, write Just a > note and politely explain this to him. (Note that it does more than just > colorization: it can do any syntax styling, e.g. keywords in bold, comments > in italics, etc. -- very flexible.) > I use Xemacs pretty much all day every day at work on NT and Solaris. I am completely spoiled by syntax highlighting and now find it hard to do without. Just, please make it available and I promise not to complain if it's not perfect! Bill

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wxPython
by Christopher Barker July 21, 1999

July 21, 1999

Hi, Is anyone working on wxPython for the Mac? I'm desperately searching for a way to do cross platform GUI development on Linux, the Mac and probably Windows while I'm at it. Tkinter just seeems to have too many shortcomings, particularly on the Mac. wxPython looks very promising. I'm starting to check it out on Linux, and I'm very impressed. It's pretty complete and powerful, and easy to use. It also provides an excellent method for developing prototypes in Python that you might want to migrate to C++ wxWindows for the Mac seems to be pretty close to ready, so it would be great to have wxPython also. By the way, can someone point me to a FAQ or something that addresses why Guido hasn't established a GUI framework for Python? I think the promise of cross platform development that Python offers would be MUCH enhanced by a standard GUI. There is a whole lot of duplicated effort going on, and there is NO good option yet that includes the Mac. I think much of the appeal of JAVA and tcl is the gui stuff. without tk, tcl never would have achieved the popularity it has. I sure can't imagine it's the language itself :-) the same goes for JAVA, aside from the hype from SUN, the idea of cross platform GUI develpment is it's strongest selling point. Well, enough of my ramblings, -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. cbarker(a)jps.net --- --- --- http://www.jps.net/cbarker -----@@ -----@@ -----@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ Water Resources Engineering ------ @ ------ @ ------ @ Coastal and Fluvial Hydrodynamics ------- --------- -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: editor for python on the mac
by Christopher Barker July 21, 1999

July 21, 1999

Hi, Has anyone written a Python mode for the Alpha editor for the mac? The Alpha (see: http://alpha.olm.net) editor is a programmers editor with tcl as it's scripting language. It seems to be the closest thing I have found on the Mac to providing what I get from Xemacs on Linux now. That is, a single editor with modes for every language I use (Python, C, C++, Fortran, MATLAB, LaTeX, etc). The only thing missing is a Python mode. Given Python's dependence on consistent indenting, a Python mode is critical. To be honest, I don't particularly like Emacs, but I have been able to find a mode for every language I use, so it's a good option for me. I just want to find something that fills that niche on a mac. If anyone has Python modes for BBedit, or any other Mac editor, that might work as well. I know a lot of folks like the IDE, but it has a few shortcoming for me: 1) can't interact with tkinter. 2) indents differently that emacs python mode (tabs). I go back and forth between the two a lot, so that's a pain. 3) no colorization. (is this in the works?) Has anyone use MPW (Macintosh Programmers Workshop) for Python development? I think Apple now gives it away for free, and it seems to give you most of the power of the UNIX command line on a Mac. Thanks, -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. cbarker(a)jps.net --- --- --- http://www.jps.net/cbarker -----@@ -----@@ -----@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ ------@@@ Water Resources Engineering ------ @ ------ @ ------ @ Coastal and Fluvial Hydrodynamics ------- --------- -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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