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Re: time and MacPython 2.1a2
by Jack Jansen Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

> I've just noticed that on Mac OS X PB, time.time() as well as some = > related time functions (os.path.getmtime()) return *negative* values. = > The doc says that time.time() expected behavior is to=20 > > " > Return the time as a floating point number expressed in seconds since = > the epoch, in UTC. Note that even though the time is always returned as = > a floating point number, not all systems provide time with a better = > precision than 1 second. > " Oww, blech. And I just checked in a mod to the Python repository to work around this. I'll have a look to see what caused the time to go negative. I think it may be the new carbonized GUSI library we use. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Where to install on MacOSX, and with what permissions
by Tattoo Mabonzo K. Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

Yo, Maybe there's a clear Apple guideline about this but my guess would be that it may install somewhere under /Users/Public which is world-writeable and desktop-visible (!?) (the standard /usr/local directory not being desktop-visible by default. = tmk = On Wednesday, February 21, 2001, at 03:25 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: > tmk's trouble with not being able to write in the Python home folder raises an > interesting point: where should we install MacPython on OSX, and with what > permissions? > > If we install in a directory that is not world-writeable the installer should > also take care of pre-compiling all modules, because mere mortal users will > not be able to write the .pyc and .pyo files on the fly. > > Does anyone has any insights to share? > -- > Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ > Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ > www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig > >

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Where to install on MacOSX, and with what permissions
by Jack Jansen Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

tmk's trouble with not being able to write in the Python home folder raises an interesting point: where should we install MacPython on OSX, and with what permissions? If we install in a directory that is not world-writeable the installer should also take care of pre-compiling all modules, because mere mortal users will not be able to write the .pyc and .pyo files on the fly. Does anyone has any insights to share? -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Anyone else tried the 2.1a2?
by Tattoo Mabonzo K. Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

Yo, On Wednesday, February 21, 2001, at 02:53 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: > Ah, thanks for the report! Next time, could you reply to the list (so that > other people also don't go chasing down things you've already found)? Sure. That's what I intended but somehow manage to not to do it :-/ > > Here's answers and more questions: > > > - One thing I've noticed is that LaunchCFMApp consume > 85% of the CPU when the IDE is > running (~ 50 when running the interpreter only) and as much as 65% of my memory (320 megs > an only Mail, Process Viewer, Clock and BetterConsole are running) > > Yes, I noticed this too. The Python Idle routine doesn't behave very well > under OSX. I'll have to investigate this. > > > - When I launch the IDE, there's a window that briefly popups briefly stating something > that the regex module deprecated in PyFontify, and that 're' should be used instead. > > Ah, bingo! I never got around to finding out what the text was that was > printed, but it's the depracation warning, of course! > > I'll convert IDE to use re in stead of regex. > > > - Running test.autotest I get a lot of "exceptions.IOError: [Errno 13] Permission > denied: '@test'" > > also the get spinning ball cursor all time time and Python becomes totally > irresponsive. Jack, I can send you my complete log if you will here just the summary: > > > > 85 tests OK. > > 15 tests failed: test_builtin test_exceptions test_array test_bufio test_dumbdbm > test_file test_gdbm test_gettext test_gzip test_imageop test_import > test_largefile test_mailbox test_rgbimg test_zipfile > > Hmm, I get the impression that every test that uses a temporary file (or only > temporary files in the current directory?) fails. Did you install as an > admin-user or not? Were you running it as the same user as you installed as? > Could you try creating a file in the Python folder (both via Python and via > some other method)? You're right. My mistake. Later on, I realized that I installed as root in an /Application sub folder and was running Python as a non-root user thus not having the needed credentials to write in the Python folders. I moved my Python installation in a under /Public and now I no longer get the above exception. Here's the summary of the log: 98 tests OK. 1 test failed: test_gzip 28 tests skipped: test_al test_bsddb test_cd test_cl test_crypt test_dbm test_dl test_fcntl test_fork1 test_gc test_gl test_grp test_imgfile test_largefile test_linuxaudiodev test_mmap test_nis test_openpty test_poll test_popen2 test_pty test_pwd test_signal test_sunaudiodev test_sundry test_timing test_winreg test_winsound Much better :-). I'm now running thousands of lines of my python code (Web App) through the debugger to see what's broken with this alpha. I'll report my findings to the list later today. = tmk = > > -- > Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ > Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ > www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm > > > >

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Python 2.1a2 preferences
by Tattoo Mabonzo K. Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

Yo Jack, I was wondering where the Python Prefs files are store in Mac OS X PB? I look in the obvious /Library/Preferences folder but there's nothing there. TIA = tmk =

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython 2.1a2 available
by Tattoo Mabonzo K. Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

Wowwww! Kudos to you Jack!!!!. MacPython is 80% of the reasons why I still use Mac OS 9.x :-). I'm running it (MacPython 2.1a2) on my PB G3-500 running Mac OS X Build 2E14. Installation went like a cinch except for the ConfigurePython script failing as advertized. These last months I've spent +70% of my time in PythonIDE. So I've developed an expectation to wait a bit when (re)lauching the IDE. My first impression after launching MacPython 2.1a2 was that it *seemed* quite faster. Especially text display which seems quite faster (is it just an impression or can others confirm this too?) Running the IDE I as soon as I do some editing, I get the same error: 'IndexError: list index out of range' 'File "Wtext.py", line 455, in can_undo which, redo = self.ted.WEGetUndoInfo() which = UNDOLABELS[which] --- The problem is that which contains the value '9' while UNDOLABELS only has 8 elements Other than that I noticed the same problems already pointed to by Steven. Next step helping debugging EditPythonPrefs crashes. = tmk = On Saturday, February 17, 2001, at 11:28 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: > Folks, > the first alfa for MacPython 2.1 is available. > This is the first in what will probably be a series of about 3 or 4 > alfas for this release, hopefully in quick succession. The reason for > this is Carbon support, which allows MacPython to run natively on > MacOSX. I'm planning to announce the alfas only here on pythonmac-sig, > but feel free to forward the information to other people you think > could help debugging this. > > So, the good news is that this release supports Carbon, which is > available on MacOS9 and MacOSX, and can be downloaded from the Apple > site for MacOS 8.1 and onwards (you want CarbonLib 1.0.4, that's good > enough for MacPython). > The bad news is that this alfa is Carbon-only, the next one will > include an optional Classic PPC interpreter again. > > Please try this version and report your findings here to > pythonmac-sig, including the full version info of your OS and > MacPython (needed because I expect to release alfas often). > > Things that are known not to work for this release: > - Tkinter is missing > - PIL and Numeric probably won't work > - Setting both "delay console window" and "keep console open" can let > you end up without a menubar. > - Once in a while you get a spurious KeyboardInterrupt from nowhere. > > Things that are known not to work on OSX for this release: > - The ConfigurePython script (run after the installer) fails, but this > isn't too much of a problem. > - Applets only work if they're in the Python folder. Does anyone know > where shared libraries should be put on OSX to be found by all > applications? > - EditPythonPrefs crashes. If anyone wants to investigate: please. > - The console window doesn't automatically scroll to the bottom until > input is requested. > > Download it from > http://www.cwi.nl/ftp/jack/python/mac/MacPython21a2carbon.bin > and give it a try, > -- > Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ > Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ > www.oratrix.nl/~jack | ++++ see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/ ++++ > > _______________________________________________ > Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig > >

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OSA Range references
by bkenniso＠att.net Feb. 21, 2001

Feb. 21, 2001

Everyone, First,I'm not a developer but a user, and I want to thank all of you who make my use of Python on the Mac possbile. As I gain more knowledge I hope to be able to contribute in some fashion. I'm currently having a problem figuring out how to specify "ranges" when using AppleEvents. I've created a FMPro module and am running it interactively. I've been testing out as many aspects of this as I can but have yet to figure out how to ask for a range of objects. If I ask for a specific record there is no problem: >>> db.get_data(record(1)) ['Bob','Jones'] but if I ask for a range of records I get >>> db.get_data(record(Range(1,3)) [snip] aetools.Error: (-1703 'Wrong data type.', None) I've searched the docs and the web trying to find an example of how to specify ranges with no luck. Perhaps someone might be able to give me a quick example or to point me where I should look to see how aepack actually formats this. Thanks for your time and thanks for making Python availble on the Mac. Brian Kennison

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re: OSA Range references
by bkenniso＠att.net Feb. 20, 2001

Feb. 20, 2001

tom smith tom(a)othermedia.com Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:13:39 +0000 >it's difficult to say without seeing your get_data() function. I can't >remember whether FileMaker has a call where you could pass it a list of >integers... If there is, I imagine you might have to use some aetools to >build a list aeobject... > >then again , you could always... > >result_list = [] > >for i in range(1,10): > record = db.get_data(i) > result_list.append(record) > >return result_list > >...which would make successive hits on the database. > Thanks for your response. I don't know much about this stuff but this is what I've figured out so far from playing around and from the docs in the distribution. The get_data function is generated by the gensuite.py module and is an "event" for this package. All appleEvents have get passed the same parameters: <event>(self,_object,_attributes={},**_arguments) Along with the "events" the gensuite modules generates classes for the objects contained in the application. In my case I working with database records hence the record() class. These object classes help you express the type of object you want to work with and I've been fairly succesful is finding the syntax for expressing those objects. Along with the object created for the application there are "generic" types that are imported through aetools from aetypes. I can say db.get_data(record(Ordinal("first")) and get the first record but when I use the Range() class from aetypes I get the error. The last parameter is a set of keyword args contained in _argmap_<event> varible generated by gensuite and I've been able to use them such as: db.count(database(1),_class="crow")) which returns the count of records in database 1. There is an element dictionary where you can lookup element codes ("crow") using the full name of the element ("record"). I have yet to figure out how to use that 3rd param and wonder if that might be the key. I also have yet to figure out "whose" or "where" clauses. The the events definitions then call the "send" method inherited from aetools which calls the "sendevent" method which packs the parameters passed to the event. I guess I'll have to dig deeper into what these pack methods actually do. Again, thanks for you response, -- Brian

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Re: Python 2.1a2
by Nathen Hinson Feb. 20, 2001

Feb. 20, 2001

This note is in response to Jack's request for more users of 2.1a2: I have downloaded and installed the whole package without incident. I am running an OS X Public Beta ( no updates ) on a G3 400 Powerbook. I do get the previously reported error of "XXX killed unknown (crashed?) Python window." when launching the IDE. I have not actually used it to work on anything yet, so I do not have alot of useful insights at the moment, just wanted to let Jack know that it seems to be working well.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython 2.1a2 available
by Jack Jansen Feb. 20, 2001

Feb. 20, 2001

Recently, Jon Moody <jbmoody(a)oakland.edu> said: > System: MacOS 8.5.1 (CarbonLib 1.0.4) > MacPython: 2.1a2 (200 MB memory partition) > > > test.autotest results > ===================== > 96 tests OK. > 3 tests failed: test_gzip test_longexp test_socket Thanks for the report. These tests are known to fail, it should be mentioned in the readme file, I think. The better news is that it seems you're the first person to actually be able to get this far, aside from myself. And it seems you're also using CarbonLib 1.0.4, so I'm getting the impression that the exact version of CarbonLib is somehow important here. Does anyone happen to know of a source of information on compatibility of the various CarbonLib versions? -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)oratrix.com | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ www.oratrix.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm

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