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[ann] AppScripting 0.3.0
by has Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

Hi all, New version of AppScripting is available: http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/AppScripting-0.3.0.tar.gz Now handles AE and application classes and enumerated types sensibly, and implements almost complete support for by-test references (a.k.a. 'whose clauses'). Still lots to do, but seems like a good point to post and solicit some feedback [1] before Christmas. Cheers, has [1] That there's a cue, btw...;) -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/

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Panther, Python 2.3, anydbm
by garsha Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

I've experienced problems with shelve and anydbm modules being broken in the context of macPython installs (10.2 and 10.3 addons)--I'm not sure if it is common knowledge or not, but I haven't seen much documentation of the issue on the web, so I felt I should bring it up in case someone else ends up searching for a solution. The most recent error refers to 'fast mutexes not available on this platform'--I wish I had saved text from the console so I could be more specific, but basically it seems to be a problem with the database libraries available on a stock Panther install. By downloading and building the Sleepycat BerkelyDB.4.2, manually editing the Modules/Setup file to build the bsdb module (after running ./configure --enable-framework --enable-toolbox-glue), the problem seems to have been resolved. I tried to download the official/unofficial _gdbm.so through the package manager, but the package manager wouldn't let me, stating that I had to manually install the library--which I couln't do becuase the 'make install' phase for building gdbm errors out stating illegal operators to /usr/bin/install. It would seem that Apple's python and the macPython binary installer are going out with broken anydbm and shelve builtins, and installing the BerkelyDB.4.2 and bsdb module fixes things (I also downloaded/built/installed the bsddb3 module for good measure). The sleepycat db distribution is the only one I could get to build and install without any headaches or having to resort to DarwinPorts or Fink. To some developers, particularly less experienced ones such as I, this may cause some frustration if they write code on some other platform which utilizes persistent data objects, and hope it will run on OS X (and be able to at least create and read new persistant data objects) unmodified. If anyone has a more elegant solution, or I'm just missing something elementary please let me know. I'm just offering the experience to the list in the event that it hasn't been documented yet. Regards, Karl G.

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Beginner's query: Path configuration in OS X 10.3
by kevin Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

seems like a big source of confusion. I always forget this too and am hoping that this makes it into the FAQ as the FAQ seems to be filled with stuff for folks who are powerusers and precious little for folks who are just setting out. It seems that we need super clear entries for: 1. setting python up so that it you can execute scripts form the terminal (setting your path) (both Jag and Panther) 2. setting up python so that it knows where to look for imports (is this now the same thing? or is this setenv PYTHONPATH???) 3. When, why, and how one would need to set the ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist file If i was clear on this and knew how to do it on both Peanut-butter (10.3) & Jelly (10.2), i'd do it.... (-_-), but alas... I know that on 10.2 setting up all my ~/Library/init/tcsh files : aliases.mine completions.mine environment.mine path rc.mine was a bit of an adventure as this was changed in the jump from 10.1 to 10.2, now of course Panther has bash as its shell. It seems like lots of folks are moving over from OS 9, windoze, and other UNIX platforms so maybe this would ease their pain. -kp--

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Lots of spam from italy.
by Jack Jansen Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

Folks, since a while most of the spam that has been sent to pythonmac-sig is coming from Italy. Note that the spam is stopped before it hits the list, but it still costs me time and effort, so could any Italians (especially italians running windows:-) please check their machines for viruses and/or ask their friends whether they've been infected? Just in case this rings a bell to someone: most of the load today came from what appears to be a cable-modem or DSL-connected machine through provider interbusiness.it. In some cases the machine pretended to be called "nome.it", but that is probably nonsense anyway (unless you know someone whose machine is called nome.it). -- Jack Jansen, <Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman

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simultaneous X11 and Carbon _tkinters ?
by Michael Halle Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

If I have a _tkinter compiled for X11, is there any reasonable way to have it coexist with a _tkinter compiled for Carbon using the standard Panther python? Given that I need to have both around, what's my best bet for being able to switch between versions? Thanks. Michael Halle mhalle @ bwh.harvard.edu

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updating Panther to Python 2.3.3
by John Miller Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

I think this general topic was recently discussed, but I don't recall the following strategy being mentioned so I'd like to bring it up for feedback. My goal is to *replace* Apple's Python with the latest version with everything exactly as it is now (except updated, of course). I only want *one* version of Python on my machine, and I want that to be the latest. I'm not concerned with making changes to the /System folder; I think the extent of the changes are minimal (2.3 -> 2.3.3 with no path changes) and I understand that there is a danger that something in the future might 'break' because I'm messin' where I shouldn't be a messin'. Fine. Basically, I'm suggesting using the Makefile that Apple used for 2.3 to build and install 2.3.3. It'll probably be obvious in the way I express this suggestion, but let me make it clear: I have very little understanding of the way makefiles work, so this suggestion may seem ridiculously naive or unworkable. Anyway, on my stock Panther system (with Developer Tools installed) there is a Makefile located at: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/ config/Makefile This config folder also has: install-sh config.c.in Setup python.o makesetup Setup.local config.c Setup.config which may prove helpful in the following scenario. I've downloaded the Python source and issued the './configure' command. Afterwards, I notice that a Makefile was generated. I compare this Makefile with the Apple one (using BBEdit's 'Find Differences...' command) and see quite a few differences. So, I'm tempted to simply replace the newly generated one in the Python-2.3.3 directory that I just downloaded and unpacked with the original one that Apple shipped with Panther. (However, what about all those other files in the 'config' directory; do all or some of them also need to be moved?) If I do that and then issue the 'make' command, followed by 'make install' (probably I'll have to be root to do that last step), will I have successfully upgraded Apple's Panther Python from 2.3 to 2.3.3? My guess is that I've missed something obvious, but I don't know what. I'd appreciate any feedback regarding this method. Thanks! John Miller, Ph.D. Interactive Communications and Simulations University of Michigan

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Virus Alert
by postman＠mailhub-6.net.treas.gov Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

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Python Palm hotsync software?
by Wayne Folta Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Anyone out there experienced with how Palm hotsync works? With Palm abandoning it's Mac Palm Desktop software, we really need a sync solution. I imagine Apple might fill the void, but based on iSync so far, I'm not confident it will be a palatable solution. An Open Source, Python-based project would be very cool and would allow us to make sure things like Notes get sync'd even though Apple's iSync only currently supports Calendar (iCal) and Addresses (Address Book). Once someone who knows the ins and outs of syncing have written the basic package, others of us could work on other details to expand it.

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re: Interpreting a crash dump
by Robin Becker Feb. 21, 2004

Feb. 21, 2004

I was able to solve the problem of mismatched strncpy in my dylib embedded python application by the following strategy. 1) Switch from -flat_namespace to -twolevel_namespace 2) Fix up a missing external _environ by using my own version. 3) Ensure the client was prepared for the double definition of _environ. It seems environ is normally supplied by crt1 (ie the main startup). How do other macpythoneers get round the problem (ie python internals refer to _environ). The linker seems unable to do a mixed strategy ie link evrything twolevel except for specified externals. -- Robin Becker

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weird #! problem
by Russell E. Owen Feb. 20, 2004

Feb. 20, 2004

I am trying to make an easy-to-use build script and have stumbled across a very strange thing. Here is a minimal version of the script: script buildtui.py: #!/usr/bin/python import sys, bundlebuilder if len(sys.argv) == 1: sys.argv.append('build') bundlebuilder.buildapp(....) What I observe is if I run this script this way: % /usr/bin/python buildtui.py it works just fine. But if I run it this way: ./buildtui.py it fails. It *appears* to work (the output looks the same, and from poking around in the bundle the resulting app looks the same, but the resulting app fails with the following message in the Console: Fatal Python error: Interpreter not initialized (version mismatch?) I can't imagine how my build script can even tell the difference between the two means of execution. But I've confirmed this multiple times with variant scripts. Any idea what may be happening and what to do about it? I hope I'm not overlooking something really obvious, but I've put diagnostic printout in the script and I just can't see anything going on that is different. One thing I've not done is a byte-by-byte comparison of the two resulting applications. -- Russell

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