🌐 Mailman 3 April 2006 - Pythonmac-SIG - python.org

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing wxPython with ActivePython and OSX
by Trent Mick April 25, 2006

April 25, 2006

[Thomas Juntunen wrote] > > I'm trying to get wxPython going with ActivePython, Komodo and > > OSX.4.6 > > > > The wx installer is installing to my framework "system" python (Apple > > 2.3.5) > > > > Is there any way to get this to work with my setup? wxPython on the Mac seems to be painful right now. 1. You need to get the correct build for your version of Python. For ActivePython 2.4.x or MacPython 2.4.x that means getting one of the builds with "-py24" in the package name. 2. They have "ansi" and "unicode" builds. From what I can tell the "ansi" builds are probably only useful for Mac OS X 10.2.x compatibility. If you are using Mac OS X 10.3 (Jaguar) or greater then I'd stick with the "unicode" builds. > There are lots of packages available as pre-built binaries for Python 2.4.x > on Tiger available here: > > http://pythonmac.org/packages/ 3. There don't seem to be builds of wxPython for Mac OS X/Intel anywhere. The builds that they have up here for Mac OS X http://www.wxpython.org/download.php#binaries are for the PowerPC architecture. I'm not on the wxPython mailing lists so I don't know if there are Mac OS X/Intel builds hiding somewhere or in the works. I was able to install wxPython for Python 2.4: wxPython2.6-osx-unicode-2.6.3.2-macosx10.3-py2.4.dmg on Mac OS X 10.3/PowerPC and use it (only minor testing). Unfortunately I was also able to *install* it on Mac OS X 10.4/Intel but it doesn't work (importing "wx" fails) because the binary modules in wx are for ppc while the running Python is x86. It looks like using wxPython on Mac OS X/Intel requires you to compile it yourself from source: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10718 wxPython-src-2.6.3.2.tar.gz Cheers, Trent -- Trent Mick TrentM(a)ActiveState.com

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [PSF-Board] New artwork for the OSX port
by Jacob Rus April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

Hi. > p.s. how do people like the new logo over in pythonmac land? It's okay, but our version[1, 2] is shinier. ;) [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-logo-glassy.png [2]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png > The standard contribution form filled out by the originator should > suffice. See http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/ for details. So I'm supposed to sign the form and fax/mail it in? > What kind of attribution would you like? I'll definitely add a > readme file to the distribution that mentions you designed these > icons. Anything else is open for discussion. That seems fine. Is there some file that lists all the people who have contributed in other ways to the Mac Python distributions? It seems that right now the readme only has some links to websites. In IDLE.app, the application menu only has a general "About Tcl & Tk", though PythonLauncher.app does seem to have an about box crediting Jack Jansen, and the now defunct PythonIDE.app has an about box crediting Just Van Rossum. There are surely more people than those two involved in getting Mac Python into users' hands. -Jacob On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > Jacob, > > This is the reply I got from the PSF w.r.t. the icons. Tim Parkin, > who created the new python.org logo, also gave permission to use > the logo in the icons (see the second message). > > What kind of attribution would you like? I'll definitely add a > readme file to the distribution that mentions you designed these > icons. Anything else is open for discussion. > > Ronald > > Begin forwarded message: >> From: Steve Holden <steve(a)holdenweb.com> >> Date: 22 april 2006 22:46:15 GMT+02:00 >> To: Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com> >> Subject: Re: [PSF-Board] New artwork for the OSX port >> >> Ronald Oussoren wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Guido forwarded me to you for this. >>> Over on the pytonmac-sig we've almost reached consensus on some >>> new artwork for the OSX port. These are icons for python files >>> and several applications that use the new python.org logo. >>> I'm wondering what the preconditions are for getting these into >>> the python distribution. Does the author/artist have to donate >>> them to the PSF or are there other rules? >> The standard contribution form filled out by the originator should >> suffice. It grants the PSF permission to republish under the >> Python license agreement. Nothing else should be required. See >> >> http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/ >> >> for details. >> >> regards >> Steve > > Begin forwarded message: >> From: Tim Parkin <tim(a)pollenation.net> >> Date: 22 april 2006 21:48:11 GMT+02:00 >> To: ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com >> Subject: re: python logo icon etc >> >> Hi, >> >> I noticed the post on python-dev about the new logo/icons.. I need to >> pass ownership over to the PSF at some point (nobody has told me how >> yet) but being as I currently own license I could officially say 'yes >> please use them' :-) >> >> I don't think anyone is going to have any objection but it would >> be best >> to post to psf anyway. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim >> >> p.s. how do people like the new logo over in pythonmac land?

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New wiki entry on Universal libraries and extensions
by Daniel Lord April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

I made good on my threat and wrote it up. Wiki's are famous for providing misinformation because anyone can write to them regardless of the veracity of their exposition (e.g. a newb like me). So, if someone doesn't mind, please review my content and let's get anything incorrect fixed. http://pythonmac.org/wiki/UniversalLibrariesAndExtensions Daniel

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pycrypto and gcc 4
by Mark Phillips April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

Yesterday I attempted to install the pycrypto package. "setup.py build" invoked gcc, which threw a huge number of errors on signedness. As it was taco time, I left for the day. Today, I read through some lists and the "signedness" errors for gcc v4 sounded benign so I ran the build again. This time it sailed through without errors. Feeling bold and a bit light on coffee, I set aside the obvious concerns and ran "setup.py install". No errors were raised. Alas, my bubble of ignorance was burst rather quickly by IDLE. "import Crypto.Cipher" fails on ImportError: No module named Crypto. Crypto and other files are in site-packages. I have the Universal-MacPython-2.4.3-2006-04-07 installed on Mac OS 10.4.6 PPC. I thought (hoped) that since pycrypto setup builds from source I would slip through without a problem. Ah, well, so, what to do next? TIA, - Mark

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Applets?
by Christopher Barker April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

Hi all, Along with the icon discussion (they look great, by the way) There has been a lot of mention of BuildApplet and Py2Applet, etc. I'm a bit confused as to what actually exists. This is my understanding -- someone please clarify if I'm wrong: BuildApplication: Builds a complete *.app bundle, including the entire python interpreter, etc. Is is not longer being maintained, and may or may not work in a given instance. BuildApplet: Builds a *.app bundle that does not include python, and thus looks and acts like a "real application", but requires a complete appropriate python installation. Also no longer maintained, and may or may not work. Py2App: Builds a complete *.app bundle (like BuildApplication) that includes everything but python if the system python is used, and includes everything if another python is used. It is more robust than BuildApplication and is being maintained with a version supporting the Universal build released. Py2Applet: This does not exist. If it did, it would be like BuildApplet, but using the Py2App code base. My understanding is that Bob I. (author of Py2App) has no need for such a thing, and has thus not written it. He has indicated that he will accept patches, however. (Have I got that right, Bob?) Oh, and BuildApplication and BuildApplet are not going to be included in future versions. Thanks for any clarification. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker(a)noaa.gov

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help needed with py2app for self updating application
by SPE Stani's Python Editor April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

Hi, I need to do my first experiment with py2app. I creating a GUI program with wxPython which will be distributed for Mac and Windows. The audience of the program is not technical at all (eg they've never heard about Python), so everything should go automatically. The program should be able to update itself and to update its database (collection of .txt files). These are two separated things and don't happen simultaneously. I thought of the following: - seperate the code which will be updated and zip it to use a zipimport - zip the .txt files These files can then be downloaded (urllib or so) and if the download has completed succesfully, replace their old files. For the updated python code it is necessary to restart the program for the database not. These questions arise: - I have Python2.4, wxPython2.6.3, OS X 10.4 Will it run on other versions of OS X? If not will a version compiled on OS X 10.3 run on OS X 10.4 or do I need to provide a file for every OS X version? - can a zipimport be life replaced if it doesn't require root permissions (I would guess so) - do I have to declare something special for wxPython? - what is at the moment the most common zip format for Mac? zip, tar.gz, stuffit, ...? - how can I bundle a zipimport file with py2app? Let say this is the folder layout of the program: application.py code.zip (contains main.py, ui.py, etc..) * data.zip (contains .txt files) * other files (preferably bundled but not necessary) such as the wxPython libraries and whatever py2app will want to include (* means should be remote updatable/synchronizable) application.py is just a dummy file which calls code.main.main() Should I declare code.zip as a data file or as a python package? Of course it would be nice if someone be so kind to suggest a simple setup.py recipee for this... Thanks in advance, Stani -- http://pythonide.stani.be http://pythonide.stani.be/screenshots http://pythonide.stani.be/manual/html/manual.html

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
by has April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

Jacob Rus wrote: >Ronald Oussoren wrote: >>Now that we (almost) have new icons it would be great if someone could have >>a look at IDLE and at the very least writes down what could be done to make >>it a better OSX citizen. Actual patches would of course even be better. If I get a chance, I'll see if I can make some notes on where the UI falls short. I've not got time to start learning the source though. >>I wouldn't make a distintion between applets (what buildapplet builds) and applications (what py2app builds) and prefer the generic application icon for both of them. > >Okay, that's fine. Agree with that. Could also use the same (or very similar) icons for BuildApplet and py2applet. They serve the same purpose, and hopefully by the time Python 2.6 comes around py2app and py2applet will replace bundlebuilder and BA completely anyway. >>The only thing that seems to be missing is an icon for 'Build Applet'. > >Indeed. I'll try, but I'm not sure I'm up to drawing it. I could draw up a grinder or something in Illustrator, but it probably won't be for some days. If you can find something sooner, that's cool, otherwise let me know middle of next week and I'll see what I can do. HTH has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/

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Compiling Numeric for OSX-intel
by Jeremy Gore April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

I use the old Numeric package quite a bit (numpy is just not ready for primetime) and stupid me, I didn't check if it was available before I installed the Universal binary package for python 2.4.3. Rather than moving backwards, I'd like to try getting it to compile. However, I can't seem to find the cvs/svn with the most recent configuration files. Where are those? I'd also like to install numarray, numpy, and scipy. (numpy won't compile due to "can't locate file for : -lcc_dynamic"; this was also a problem for the sources of numarray and Numeric) I'm running a MacBookPro with 10.4.6.

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spaces
by kevin parks April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

please god, no... grrr.... i hate escaping spaces in the terminal. double grr... On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:44 PM, pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org wrote: > 4. Let's add some spaces in the names of things like PythonIDE.app, > BuildApplet.app, PythonLauncher.app and PackageManager.app.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] installer and .profile
by William Kyngesburye April 24, 2006

April 24, 2006

On Apr 24, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On Monday, April 24, 2006, at 04:37PM, William Kyngesburye > <woklist(a)kyngchaos.com> wrote: > >> I just noticed a small issue with the new universal installer. It >> adds a path to the python bin folder to the user's ~/.profile. >> >> 1. The Apple-default bash shell doesn't read .profile (doesn't for >> me). (I think tcsh does, but I always used .login back then) > > Bash does read .profile, unless a .bash_profile exists. > Ah, well, I was always a little confused by all the levels of shell init scripts. >> >> 2. If it doesn't exist, .profile gets created with root ownership, >> since the installer must autorize to install. > > That's a bug. > >> >> Since a user can choose their shell, maybe it shouldn't be trying to >> add to the user's path, but just tell the user that's what they need >> to do. Or if there is some way for the installer to figure out the >> user's default shell (I know it's a setting in the netinfo database >> for each user), the installer could intelligently edit the correct >> shell init (ie .bash_profile). > > The script is smart enough to edit the shell configuration of the > users shell. > I guess this would be a bug also, then? I have a .bash_profile, yet it added the .profile instead of editing my .bash_profile. > And BTW. we have documentation about what the user should do to > add the right directory to their PATH. It turns out most users don't > read the documentation or are unix-illiterate enough to not being > able to perform the changes that are required. Automating this task > is a lot friendlier to those users. Not in the readme that is on the installer disk image. If it's in the documentation after install, at least that much should be duplicated in the readme since it's an install thing. Or at least mention in the readme what the installer does in the user's environment (some people might get a little touchy about having user files quietly modified by an installer). ----- William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos(a)kyngchaos.com> http://www.kyngchaos.com/ "History is an illusion caused by the passage of time, and time is an illusion caused by the passage of history." - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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