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OSX3 install problem
by downie - Dec. 7, 2009

Dec. 7, 2009

Hi List, I'm trying to install Python on OSX10.3.9 , downloaded python-2.6.4_macosx10.3.dmg, but unfortunately the install process ends with 'There have been errors in the install process. Please try again.' Console.log entry is not much more informative: "2009-12-03 20:11:22 +0000 Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x89 0x50 2009-12-03 20:14:11.844 Installer[387] Exception raised during posting of notification. Ignored. exception: Some files for PythonFramework-2.6 may not have been written correctly. (code 1)" Any ideas on where to look for better diagnostics? Thanks, GD PS I's also like to install the IPy module, but I can't compile from source - impossible? _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid…

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py2app and pygame results in application that may not launch
by Russell E. Owen Dec. 4, 2009

Dec. 4, 2009

I am using py2app to bundle a standalone application (containing its own python) that used to use tkSnack to play sound cues. I recently switched to pygame because the sound cues were no longer paying reliably with tkSnack. Before switching to pygame the Mac applications I produced seemed to run for all my users. Now they run for some users but fail to start with others. I have appended a crash dump from one user. I cannot see the problem on my own pair of Macs -- each binary runs on either, even if I temporarily move /Library/Frameworks/Python... and Tcl... and Tk... I have tried building on Leopard and on Snow Leopard and it makes no obvious difference (though i have not compared crash logs in detail). Some possibly relevant details: - It seems to be something with fonts. - At least one user who complains uses MacPorts (but tried disabling it and it ran). - Sometimes the application will run once or twice, then not again. - Once I dragged a new version of my binary over an old one (to replace it) and MacOS X told me I could not do that because a font was in use. One binary is available here (built on Leopard with py2pp 0.4.3) <http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/rowen/python/STUI_0.4a5_newpy2app_ Mac.dmg> Any idea what I can do to fix this? The only relevant hit I found in a google search was from somebody complaining about a similar problem that struck between pygame 1.8.0 and 1.8.1. Barring any better solutions I will try reverting to from 1.9.1 to 1.8.0. -- Russell Configuration of my build machines (one Leopard, one Snow Leopard): MacOS X 10.5.8 and 10.6.1 Python 2.5.2 from python.org py2app 0.4.3 (also seen with an older version) pygame 1.9.1 Twisted 8.2.0 matplotlib 0.99.0 (the official binary) Tcl/Tk 8.4.19 (ActiveState) numpy 1.3.0 (the official binary) PIL 1.1.6 (the official binary) pyfits 2.2 Crash Dump: Process: STUI [96116] Path: /Applications/STUI.app/Contents/MacOS/STUI Identifier: org.pythonmac.unspecified.STUI Version: 0.4a5 (0.0.0) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [134] Date/Time: 2009-11-09 16:55:49.296 -0500 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.1 (10B504) Report Version: 6 Interval Since Last Report: 29185 sec Crashes Since Last Report: 2 Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 10 sec Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 2 Anonymous UUID: 2DCF782A-69D9-49A5-AA1D-4A3DC530E92F Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 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Can't build PIL on Snow Leopard
by Xiao Yu Dec. 4, 2009

Dec. 4, 2009

Hi, I apologize for not having caught onto the nuance of differences between the Apple system Python, python.org's Python and MacPort's Python yet. I have installed python.org's Python 2.6.4. I however have trouble building PIL on it. lipo: can't open input file: /var/tmp//ccmUAK0V.out (No such file or directory) error: Setup script exited with error: command 'gcc-4.0' failed with exit status 1 I am being told by the folks at comp.lang.python that the problem is because of missing libraries. Could someone please instruct me how to proceed? I couldn't google the proper procedures. My ultimate goal is to get my PyQt-PIL application working again. Regards, Xiao

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[ann] py-appscript 0.21.0
by has Dec. 3, 2009

Dec. 3, 2009

Hi all, Announcing a new release of Python appscript, an easy-to-use Apple event bridge for the popular Python scripting language. http://appscript.sourceforge.net/py-appscript.html What's new in py-appscript 0.21.0: - A built-in workaround for Mac OS X 10.6's return ID bug prevents occasional unexpected timeout errors (this won't prevent the OS from periodically dropping other processes' Apple events on the floor, but appscript-based scripts should now be immune) - You can now launch and manipulate multiple instances of an application side-by-side - Python.app icons no longer appear in the Dock when using appscript on Python frameworks built for 10.5+ - Several bug fixes in 64-bit and Python 3.0 support. A new version of the ASDictionary documentation tool has also been released. ASDictionary 0.12.0 addresses occasional launch problems, and is a recommended update. Except for any bug-fix updates that might be required, this will be the final release of py-appscript before it hits the big one-zero, so please give it a thorough workout and report any issues as soon as possible. If no further problems are found, appscript 1.0.0 will be released in the next month or so. Enjoy! has p.s. Ruby and ObjC users can also check out the latest rb-appscript and objc-appscript trunks in appscript's Subversion repository for return ID workarounds and other improvements. -- Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC: http://appscript.sourceforge.net

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py-appscript 0.20.3, 0.21.0 and impending 1.0.0 release (addendum)
by has Dec. 1, 2009

Dec. 1, 2009

All, > One more thing: I've chucked a preliminary 0.21.0 into the svn trunk. > > A couple of outstanding issues/omissions have been frustrating me > recently, namely the annoying bouncing Dock icon I've noticed a caveat: The bouncing Dock icon is gone when using appscript 0.21.0 on a version of Python that was built against 10.5 or 10.6 SDKs. (Yay!) However, the wretched thing still appears when using a Python installation built against a 10.4 SDK - i.e. anything running on Tiger; the python.org framework distros. (Boo!) I suspect the 10.4 Process Manager APIs are more aggressive in escalating non-GUI processes to GUI status when called. As I am running out of system APIs for identifying running processes and the application bundles that launched them, this is probably something I can't/will not address as it would likely involve making ugly, fragile kludges in the appscript code. Bouncing icons in 10.4 I don't much care about as most folks are on newer OSes by now. Bouncing icons in 10.5 and 10.6 are definitely undesirable, but they're a consequence of the design of the Python framework and the design of certain OS X APIs. Appscript is a victim of circumstance here: I need to use those APIs, and I'm not willing to make my code fragile and failure-prone just to avoid irritating but technically harmless behaviours coming from some Python distributions and OS X. I am curious though (and this is probably a question for Ronald): how does PyObjC 2.x fare on python.org frameworks? If the framework is built against the 10.4 SDK, then presumably Cocoa APIs introduced in 10.5+ won't be available to PyObjC there? Am I correct? If so, what's the recommended solution for 10.5/10.6 users who wish to use a non-Apple Python installation and be able to access 10.5/10.6-only APIs (e.g. build your own Python framework?)? Perhaps it's time python.org started distributing framework builds for 10.5 and later? Any thoughts, advice, etc? Thanks, has -- Control AppleScriptable applications from Python, Ruby and ObjC: http://appscript.sourceforge.net

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