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BBEdit (full)
by jeffrey P. Shell Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

[NOTE: i originally sent this reply just to Joseph, but realized it's info the whole list might need. Also, since this writing I've picked up Alpha and have been rather impressed, but since i have the full BBEdit i think i will use that for now] Joseph Strout wrote: > > In my never-ending quest for a Mac programming language for kids that > doesn't suck, I've recently been looking at Chipmunk Basic. It comes with > a very cool feature: a BBEdit plug-in that adds a "Run as Chipmunk Basic" > command to the Extensions menu. You edit your source in BBEdit (Lite), > pick this off the menu, and poof! the Mac switches to Chipmunk Basic, > loads your code, and executes it. > > In Python, the most efficient paradigm I've come up with is to edit my > code, save it, then switch to the Finder and drag the file onto the Python > app. Then when it's done I have to be sure to quit (Python). This is not > terrible, but the BBEdit extension is nicer. > > Of course, *nicest* would be a Mac Python IDE. Edit your code (with > syntax hilighting), command-R to run, command-D to debug, set breakpoints > just by clicking the little stop signs in the sidebar... ah, but now I'm > just dreaming... you know, if i had CodeWarrior, i'd make that extension.. :) i use BBEdit (i got the full 3.5.2 now) extensively. I can't remember if BBEdit lite has this function, but in BBEdit 3.5 there's a small menu on the Phillips bar (?) that has a seperate item for each mac folder leading to the file, including the file itself. Combining that with Snitch (a freeware utility that extends the finders "Get Info" command and allows you to set Type/Creator) to set the files to load Python instead of BBEdit, i pull down that menu, click on the file in the finder (it just finds it for you basically), and run it. I know there's a Run Perl extension out as well, so a Python one shouldn't be too hard to make.. if only i had the right tools at this time.. :) i think a few well-placed letters to BareBones software about Python would be nice as well. The full versions of BBEdit offer a lot of little programming helps, and i think 4.0 colorizes the code. But Python isn't supported (yet). A Mac-Python IDE would be nice, but you seldom get really really good editors like BBEdit in such an environment. (Hell, even BBEdit Lite is so far above anything else i've used on the mac to date) -- .jPS || jshell(a)inconnect.com || http://www.cynapses.com/ry/ ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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by billpy＠mousa.demon.co.uk Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

At 4:49 pm +0000 on 15/09/96, Joseph Strout wrote: ~In my never-ending quest for a Mac programming language for kids that ~doesn't suck, I've recently been looking at Chipmunk Basic. It comes with ~a very cool feature: a BBEdit plug-in that adds a "Run as Chipmunk Basic" ~command to the Extensions menu. You edit your source in BBEdit (Lite), ~pick this off the menu, and poof! the Mac switches to Chipmunk Basic, ~loads your code, and executes it. ~ ~In Python, the most efficient paradigm I've come up with is to edit my ~code, save it, then switch to the Finder and drag the file onto the Python ~app. Then when it's done I have to be sure to quit (Python). This is not ~terrible, but the BBEdit extension is nicer. I have 3 Fkey programed with KeyQuencer F13 is 'import <module name>' F14 is 'reload(<module name>)' F15 is '<module name>.Main()' I write in alpha, switch to Python using the controlstrip and press F14 F15. OK each time I start work on a new module I have to change the Keyquencer scripts, but that is no big deal. I've attatched a simple alpha python mode file - no doubt someone can improve it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bedford Designer of Photo-Etches billb(a)mousa.demon.co.uk owner Brit_Rail-L --- british railways historical list -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] ANNOUNCE: BBEdit extension to run python scripts
by friedric＠rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

|> Steve wrote: |> >[ You might as well send it out to the whole list -- I think the |> > PYTHONMAC-SIG audience is specific enough that most everyone will |> > be interested to at least take a look at it. ] |> Please don't. the majodomo will not forward anything larger than 40KB. |> Hmm, if everybody is really interested, we'd better put it on ftp somewhere. |> I'd rather not harass the people that might not want it. |> |> Jack? ftp.python.org/contrib ? |> But I'd rather have it tested by a few people before we do that... I would just upload it to ftp.python.org and have them put it in contrib. Looking forward to it. -Robin ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] ANNOUNCE: BBEdit extension to run python scripts
by just＠knoware.nl Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

At 10:55 AM 9/16/96, Steven D. Majewski wrote: >Yes - please send a copy. ok, I did. >[ You might as well send it out to the whole list -- I think the > PYTHONMAC-SIG audience is specific enough that most everyone will > be interested to at least take a look at it. ] Hmm, if everybody is really interested, we'd better put it on ftp somewhere. I'd rather not harass the people that might not want it. Jack? ftp.python.org/contrib ? But I'd rather have it tested by a few people before we do that... Just ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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ANNOUNCE: BBEdit extension to run python scripts
by just＠knoware.nl Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

I've put together a very basic BBEdit extension, that sort of does what Joe requested. If you're interested, I'll send the archive. I have no ftp server. Just -- Here's the READ ME: BBPython -- a BBEdit extension to make the Python interpreter exectute the content of the current window. contents: - BBPython -- the extension - PythonSlave.py -- the "slave" script that handles the AppleEvents - source -- source code & CW9 project for the extension quickstart: - drop BBPuthon in BBEdit extensions folder - double-click PythonSlave.py - start BBEdit - type some code - go to Extensions menu: "Perform as Python" - be happy warning: since PythonSlave.py runs its own event loop and we have no interface to SIOUX you *cannot* copy from the console. Duh. extra feature: while PythonSlave.py is running you can still double-click Python documents, they will get executed as if Python was not alreadu running. bugs: perhaps Have fun with it! And please report bugs, or fix 'em. Just van Rossum, Letterror <just(a)knoware.nl> ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] wanted: "Run Python" BBEdit extension
by just＠knoware.nl Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

At 11:02 AM 9/16/96, Jack Jansen wrote: >> At 9:49 AM 9/15/96, Joseph Strout wrote: >> [...] a BBEdit plug-in that adds a "Run as Chipmunk Basic" >> >command to the Extensions menu. You edit your source in BBEdit (Lite), >> >pick this off the menu, and poof! the Mac switches to Chipmunk Basic, >> >loads your code, and executes it. >> >> It should be very easy, I'll look into it, I've written a simple BBEdit >> extension before, and with AppleEvents, it should be a breeze, to speak >> with Jack. I already have a simple engine that lets you send python code to >> the interpreter via AE. >I have collected various parts you need for this (mainly a similar BBEdit >extension to run a MacPerl script), but I cannot interface it to the >interpreter at the moment. Or, more precise: I can get the appleevent to the >interpreter, but at the time the interpreter gets the event it will be >somewhere deep down in the stdio/sioux library doing a read from the console, >and I can't think of a good way to get control back to the interpreter in a >controlled way. We could get it very easily to run if we start a generalized version of my PythonSlave. (It is a simple FrameWork app which responds to AppleEvents.) The only disadvantages are: you don't have an interactive mode (although we could fake that) and you have to start that script explicitly. Hmm, it's of course possible to have the extension start the script, but then you have to send an AE to the Finder, and that's something I haven't mastered yet. In fact I tried to look it up in inside mac and just couldn't find it. Does anyone know more? >This will be fixed when (a) the IDE is finished (since then we'll control our >own eventloop) or (b) we have our own console module (since then we can signal >it to terminate the read). Both/either of these should happen fairly soon. Hmm, I'm pretty busy right now, I'm not sure when I can get the stuff I'm working on finished :-( As soon as I've sorted out the main problems with my editor and if you provide a way to hook up your debugger, we're really getting there. That's the point when we should ask people to test it. Just ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] wanted: "Run Python" BBEdit extension
by just＠knoware.nl Sept. 16, 1996

Sept. 16, 1996

At 9:49 AM 9/15/96, Joseph Strout wrote: >In my never-ending quest for a Mac programming language for kids that >doesn't suck, I've recently been looking at Chipmunk Basic. It comes with >a very cool feature: a BBEdit plug-in that adds a "Run as Chipmunk Basic" >command to the Extensions menu. You edit your source in BBEdit (Lite), >pick this off the menu, and poof! the Mac switches to Chipmunk Basic, >loads your code, and executes it. It should be very easy, I'll look into it, I've written a simple BBEdit extension before, and with AppleEvents, it should be a breeze, to speak with Jack. I already have a simple engine that lets you send python code to the interpreter via AE. >In Python, the most efficient paradigm I've come up with is to edit my >code, save it, then switch to the Finder and drag the file onto the Python >app. Then when it's done I have to be sure to quit (Python). This is not >terrible, but the BBEdit extension is nicer. >Of course, *nicest* would be a Mac Python IDE. Edit your code (with >syntax hilighting), command-R to run, command-D to debug, set breakpoints >just by clicking the little stop signs in the sidebar... ah, but now I'm >just dreaming... Well, I have an attempt at such a thing going, but it's not *near* beta. Integrated editor (supports collapsing!) and run command is there, Jack's working on a graphical debugger, so somehow I believe there'll be something very nice at some point. I don't know yet how to do syntax highlighting efficiently. It's however unlikely this will be finished before 1.4 mac will be released though. Let me know if you want to have a look at the current state of my stuff. Just PS: i got this message twice, is that normal? ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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wanted: "Run Python" BBEdit extension
by Joseph Strout Sept. 15, 1996

Sept. 15, 1996

In my never-ending quest for a Mac programming language for kids that doesn't suck, I've recently been looking at Chipmunk Basic. It comes with a very cool feature: a BBEdit plug-in that adds a "Run as Chipmunk Basic" command to the Extensions menu. You edit your source in BBEdit (Lite), pick this off the menu, and poof! the Mac switches to Chipmunk Basic, loads your code, and executes it. In Python, the most efficient paradigm I've come up with is to edit my code, save it, then switch to the Finder and drag the file onto the Python app. Then when it's done I have to be sure to quit (Python). This is not terrible, but the BBEdit extension is nicer. Of course, *nicest* would be a Mac Python IDE. Edit your code (with syntax hilighting), command-R to run, command-D to debug, set breakpoints just by clicking the little stop signs in the sidebar... ah, but now I'm just dreaming... ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Department of Neuroscience, UCSD | | jstrout(a)ucsd.edu http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/ | `------------------------------------------------------------------' ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] wanted: "Run Python" BBEdit extension
by friedric＠rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Sept. 15, 1996

Sept. 15, 1996

Steve, I too use Alpha and have been wishing for a Python mode but have not had time to learn TCL enough to implement it myself. After looking at several other Alpha mode implementations it seems straightforward. If you get to it before I do I would love to try it out. I'm unsure about the spawning of a macpython process though. -Robin Friedrich ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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drawing cicns (or better yet, "sprites")?
by Joseph Strout Sept. 13, 1996

Sept. 13, 1996

Hi all, Does anyone know if it's possible to plot cicns (color icons) from Python? I can load the resource with GetResource, but then I can't figure out how to DO anything with it. FYI, what I'm really after is a way to draw simple sprites, so I can get my little brothers-in-law hooked on Python. They're only interested in games, and "game" to them means moving shapes. I'm about ready to give up on Python and use Chipmunk Basic instead... so if you have any info, we'd be much obliged. Thanks, -- Joe ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Department of Neuroscience, UCSD | | jstrout(a)ucsd.edu http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/ | `------------------------------------------------------------------' ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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