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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 25, 1996

May 25, 1996

No, compiling extension modules with mpw is impossible (as far as I know), because you will need to satisfy external references *from* the extnsion module *to* the PythonCore, and I think there is no way to do that. Is there anyone on the list with (a) CodeWarrior (b) a 1.3.3 source distribution, (c) interest in numerics and (d) time? If not I can look into it, but it will probably be after my holiday, somewhere halfway july. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Trouble installing Python 1.3.3
by guzdial＠cc.gatech.edu May 23, 1996

May 23, 1996

I can't seem to get Python 1.3.3 installed. I tossed Python Preferences and PythonCore, as instructed, but when I start, a Preferences file is created, but MkPluginAliases still complains that it can't find the os module. I played around with it (using Python68K to help explore), and it seems that the Preferences file that 1.3.3 creates doesn't match the current file structure. Has anyone been able to figure out a workaround? It occurred to me that if I re-installed 1.3.2 (I wiped it when I brought in 1.3.3, unfortunately), I could edit the Prefs to match the new file structure, and then I should be able to move over to 1.3.3 -- assuming that 1.3.2 and 1.3.3 had the same Preferences file format. If you've got it installed successfully, could you send me a copy of your Preferences file? Thanks! Mark -------------------------- Mark Guzdial : Georgia Tech : College of Computing : Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 (404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial(a)cc.gatech.edu http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/Mark.Guzdial.html ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

Recently, "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <jeff(a)ollie.clive.ia.us> said: > > I haven't taken a look at the Mac Python yet (way too much real work for > me to do) but how much use is being made of the shared library > functionality available in the latest releases of the Mac OS? I know that > this would probably tie the interpreter to newer releases of the > operating system but it should make the interpreter itself much smaller > as well as saving space if standalone applications are ever produced. PPC python does use the Code Fragment Manager, and has most modules in dynamically loadable libraries (hence they don't bother you until you use them). 68K Python will use CFM68K at some point, but I'm currently too busy to look into it. Some work has already be done on it by Guido and myself, so anyone with CW9 (or possibly CW8) could have a stab at it. The older shared-library architectures (ASLM, Code fragments, Component mgr, XFCN's) don't have enough functionality for Python (mainly the ability to do back-and-forth references). -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jeffrey C. Ollie May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Jack Jansen wrote: > > I could put together a leaner interpreter if people are interested, in > which I would leave out Tcl/Tk (and possibly other stuff, img and > stdwin come to mind). Let me know if there is interest in this. I haven't taken a look at the Mac Python yet (way too much real work for me to do) but how much use is being made of the shared library functionality available in the latest releases of the Mac OS? I know that this would probably tie the interpreter to newer releases of the operating system but it should make the interpreter itself much smaller as well as saving space if standalone applications are ever produced. -- Jeffrey C. Ollie ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

Recently, Ivan Herman <Ivan.Herman(a)cwi.nl> said: > Before I engage into complicated problems on my mac, just some questions. > > - I presume the (binary) distribution include all the library hierarchy > , too Correct. It also contains documentation, examples, etc, everything you need for a fully functional system. > - some of your earlier remarks on Tk made be a bit afraid (you know, it > is > slow and big). What happens on a mac 68K? Does the binary interpreter include > > large portions of Tk code, i.e., the interpreter will swallow twice as much > memory as before even if I use 'traditional', i.e., non-Tk tools? Or is there > > some dynamic link possibility on the 68K, too? Hmm. Tk should slow you down if you don't need it, but it *does* take up memory. I can't check runtime size at the moment (my Mac here is dead), but the disk footprint is 1.6Mb. I could put together a leaner interpreter if people are interested, in which I would leave out Tcl/Tk (and possibly other stuff, img and stdwin come to mind). Let me know if there is interest in this. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Problems with 1.3.any distributions
by Jack Jansen May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

To whoever I had a conversation with over the last few days on the 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 distrubtions for PPC not working (sorry, I lost the messages otherwise I would have sent personal mail): purely by accident I found the problem. Since 1.3.1 Python contains QuickTime support, and due to an oversight on my side this means that Quicktime Powerplug is *required*. If you don't have it the MkPluginAliases scripts will fail to work. I will fix this for future distributions, for now you should just drop the Quicktime Powerplug into your system folder and you should be all set. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Python 1.3.3 for Macintosh available.
by Jack Jansen May 22, 1996

May 22, 1996

Folks, a new Python distribution is available, 1.3.3. It is available as either a 68K binary distribution, a PPC binary distribution or (new!) a source distribution. Get it from <ftp://ftp.cwi.nl/pub/jack/python/mac> and let me know what you think. If people could download it and try it that would be very helpful, I'm going to advertise it to a wider audience in a few days. Here's the highlights of the differences between 1.3.2 and 1.3.3: - Tcl/Tk support now uses final 7.5 and 4.1 distributions - Interfaces to Scrap, TextEdit and Waste (a textedit-on-steroids) added - Many new demo programs and some documentation -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Wanted: beta-testers for a MacPython source distribution
by Jack Jansen April 22, 1996

April 22, 1996

I have created a MacPython source distribution, and it would be nice if some people could have a look at it. I've named this distribution 1.3.3- (the joys of version-numbering:-), because I expect to release a real 1.3.3 shortly, as soon as I've got Tcl and Tk tamed again. The distribution should have all the relevant Python sources and projects, plus pointers to the various other packages (gusi, tcl/tk, etc) needed. Documentation on how to build python is also available (as is quite a bit of other new documentation and example code). I am only advertising this distribution here for the moment. It can be found at <ftp://ftp.cwi.nl/pub/jack/python/mac/xyzzy.hqx>. Note that building Python from source is quite a bit of work. Still, if at least one or two people could try it and tell me what I missed that would be very helpful. -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Preliminary MacPython introduction available
by Jack Jansen April 10, 1996

April 10, 1996

I've thrown together an introduction to MacPython, to be included in the next distribution. If some people here could take a few minutes to read it and tell me what I've missed, etc. that would be very helpful. The document can be found at <http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/using.html>. Thanks, -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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Re: [PYTHONMAC-SIG] Compile under CW8?
by Jack Jansen April 2, 1996

April 2, 1996

Recently, Guido van Rossum <guido(a)CNRI.Reston.VA.US> said: > - stdwin (does anyone still use this on the Mac?) Yes: does anyone still use this? If not (I'll also ask in the Python newsgroup) I would like to drop it. It would also shave quite a bit off the 68K interpreter (not as important for PPC or for the mythical once-to-come cfm68k interpreter, but a boon for current 68k versions). -- Jack Jansen | ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ Jack.Jansen(a)cwi.nl | ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ http://www.cwi.nl/~jack | see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ================= PYTHONMAC-SIG - SIG on Python for the Apple Macintosh send messages to: pythonmac-sig(a)python.org administrivia to: pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org =================

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