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SciPy installer for Panther Python, anyone?
by Just van Rossum Aug. 12, 2005

Aug. 12, 2005

I'd like to quickly evaluate SciPy for a project, but I can't seem to find a binary distribution for 10.3's Python anywhere. Am I not looking hard enough? Tried to build from the source but the amount of dependencies for building it makes this not a viable option right now. Just

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: MacPython 2.4.1 installer
by Bob Ippolito April 12, 2005

April 12, 2005

On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Charles Hartman wrote: > I apologize for being newbiely (nubilely? newbly??) dense, but I want > to make sure I have this straight. I'm running 10.3.8 with the stock > 2.3 framework Python; for Mac I use py2app to make standalone > distributables (though I know that's partly silly since I'm > distributing some stuff that I also can and must assume is on any > target machine, since I'm targeting only 10.3.) Is it true > > 1. that I can download & install this 2.4.1 and it will sit there > politely beside, not interfering with, the stock 2.3 framework? Yes, *if* you have installed PantherPythonFix, it will sit politely beside. If you DO NOT install PantherPythonFix, the stock 2.3 framework will not longer be able to build extensions correctly. > 2. (Then I need to set a path variable to say which one will be used > in various contexts, such as debugging, building with py2app, etc.?) When typing "python": - If /usr/bin comes before /usr/local/bin in your PATH then Python 2.3.0 will be used, if /usr/local/bin comes first, then Python 2.4.1 will be used (of course, with sufficient other crap installed, this may not be true). When typing "python2.3" - Will always choose 2.3.0 (unless you have other crap installed) When typing "python2.4" - Will always choose 2.4.1 (unless you have other crap installed, or /usr/local/bin is not in the path) When running scripts installed by Python packages, their "#!" lines are rewritten to point to a *specific* Python. In those cases, it's whichever you installed most recently. For example, the bdist_mpkg script that comes with py2app. > 3. that the standalone builds I do that way, when distributed to other > users with 10.3+, will work, no matter what they've got on their > machines? Yes, in theory, packages build using 2.4.1 will work on 10.3, 10.4, and later. Packages build using the standard 2.3.0 will work on 10.3 and probably 10.4, but it is unlikely that they will work in 10.5+. The price you pay is a meg or two. > 4. that this will keep being true (probably!) when Tiger is released & > some of my users get ahead of me that way? That's what the 10.3+ means... -bob

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RE: IDE recommendation
by Lee Cullens April 6, 2005

April 6, 2005

Wanted to say thank you to Bob, Chris and Mark. I'll let IDLE and SPE just sit there for the time being. Maybe I' get back to SPE after Tiger and see if I can work with them to get it to play well with Mac - we'll see where I'm at. I've got Leo up and running. It isn't everything I would like in a sandbox but it does have an intriguing organizational approach that I'll either learn to love or hate :~). Would like to first figure out how to keep it from opening up two terminal windows when it starts though - maybe a good learning exercise. Beginning my software engineering career in the 60's with computer sciences curriculum of mostly "brand new" IBM 360 assembler and ending such with distributed HP3000 systems (Unix and C) I have fell in love with my new Mac (I passed over the 1990s Apple). I think the elegance of the high level GUI combined with an intuitive underbelly is a combination neither of the other two platforms approach. Anyway since I'm now retired, I'm going to do the development I want to on the platform I like (to keep my mind active and happy) even if such generates more "keep busy" work. Best to all and thanks again, Lee C > Relative to my previous post : RE: SPE-OSX IDE with Python on Mac or > others? > > I'm leery of SPE, so maybe a more general recommendation - an IDE I > can "grow with" that has a significant user base, is still reasonably > maintained (maybe even evolving). I'll work out how to integrate > Python scripts in Blender when I get to that point, but for now I need > to create modules (duh - text edit), debug, package and deliver on an > OS X platform. It seems there should be a viable sandbox to work > within. I'm aware of the Wing IDE but have not purchased it yet - I > don't know enough yet to know if is really worth it. > > Thanks, > Lee C

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ANN: MacPython 2.4.1 installer
by Bob Ippolito April 5, 2005

April 5, 2005

I've put together an "official unofficial" framework build distribution of Python 2.4.1 for Mac OS X 10.3 (and later, but that is not tested yet). It is built using the same tools that Jack builds the official MacPython distribution with. Unlike typical builds, this one has all the stock goodies: - readline 5.0.005 (static) - BerkeleyDB 4.3.27 (static) - waste (static) - Tcl/Tk Aqua 8.4.9 (dynamic - needs TclTkAqua <http://tcltkaqua.sf.net/>) Note that this WILL NOT work with Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) or earlier. It is ONLY for Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) and later. That means, it should work on Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) . Also note that it expects you to install to the root drive only, despite the fact that the installer doesn't force you to do this. If you are using Mac OS X 10.3, it is recommended that you also get the PantherPythonFix [1] if you have not already, to prevent conflicts with the stock Python when you build new extensions. Packages for this Python will start popping up at pythonmac.org packages in the coming weeks. And now what you're all waiting for, the download link. It's here: http://undefined.org/python/#python Several packages for MacPython 2.4.1 are already available from: http://pythonmac.org/packages/ [1] You can get PantherPythonFix from http://pythonmac.org/packages/ in the Mac OS X 10.3 (Python 2.3.0) section. -bob

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Embedding with CW6
by Steve Spicklemire April 3, 2005

April 3, 2005

Hi Folks, Back in the pretty old days (python 1.5 or so I think) I developed a Macromedia Director (MMD) scripting Xtra that allowed Lingo scripts to use python as an embedded language. It worked great... but I moved on and haven't done anything Carbon in years. Now I find myself in a situation where I need to get that Xtra working with the latest MMD. The Macromedia XDK seems to only support Codewarrior on the Mac. I have only CW6 at this point (I have an email sent off to Metrowerks asking how I might get CW7) so I guess I can't build the latest sources (as they seem to want CW7). So.. the question is: What's the latest set of sources that will likely work on CW6? (in case I can't get CW7). thanks for any help! -steve

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript and XXXX - what is my app instance returning?
by has March 31, 2005

March 31, 2005

Paul Berkowitz wrote: >If appscript >is meant to replace the vagaries of AppleScript with the sanity of Python, >there's no getting around the fact that its whole raison d'être - healthy >application scripting - can founder on poorly implemented application >AppleEvent syntax, with no one around to explain it, let alone fix it. The 'syntax problem' I mention is common to both AppleScript and appscript and has _nothing_ to do with individual applications' Apple event support. The problem is that both wrap Apple events in a very OO-like syntax which is easy to use and perfectly sound in itself, but tends to mislead unwary users who assume that because it looks like OO it *is* OO. Which it's not: it's an RPC interface plus simple relational query builder. While I could change appscript's syntax to make it look less OO-like, it would also make it less easy to use. The solution is better education (starting with better documentation, obviously) so that appscript users aren't labouring under any false assumptions when they start to use it. BTW, the last place to learn this stuff is from AppleScript, which plays even more syntactic and semantic tricks and is even worse about informing its users of this. It's something we Python folks will have to provide for ourselves, and I'm sure we will. All of which is a completely separate issue to learning how to effectively script individual applications, which is the problem the OP's having. That has nothing to do with the language/bridge used, and everything to do with learning how an application's Apple Event Object Model works, what it can and can't do, where all the quirks and bugs lie, etc. Information that should be supplied by application developers, of course, but they often don't so users often have to rely on experimentation and shared knowledge to fill in the blanks. Personally I don't think the language difference should be too much of an issue when asking application-related questions, though we'll only find out for sure when appscripters start asking these questions on traditionally AppleScript-oriented lists such as MacScrpt. (As opposed to Python/appscript-related questions, which are still best asked here.) has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/

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ANN: py2app 0.1.9
by Bob Ippolito March 31, 2005

March 31, 2005

(see also: <http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2005/03/31/ann-py2app-019/>) `py2app`_ is the bundlebuilder replacement we've all been waiting for. It is implemented as a distutils command, similar to `py2exe`_, that builds Mac OS X applications from Python scripts, extensions, and related data files. It tries very hard to include all dependencies it can find so that your application can be distributed standalone, as Mac OS X applications should be. `py2app`_ 0.1.9 is included in the installer for `PyObjC`_ 1.3. If you have installed `PyObjC`_ 1.3, then you already have `py2app`_ 0.1.9 installed. Download and related links are here: http://undefined.org/python/#py2app py2app 0.1.9 is a minor bug fix release: Bugs fixed: - bdist_mpkg now builds zip files that are correctly unzipped by all known tools. - The behavior of the bootstrap has changed slightly such that ``__file__`` should now point to your main script, rather than the bootstrap. The main script has also moved to ``Resources``, from ``Resources/Python``, so that ``__file__`` relative resource paths should still work. .. _`py2app`: http://undefined.org/python/#py2app .. _`pyobjc`: http://pyobjc.sourceforge.net/ .. _`py2exe`: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/

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Re: SPE-OSX
by Kevin Walzer March 30, 2005

March 30, 2005

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lee Cullens wrote: | Kevin, | | Thank you - I really wanted to try to work with SPE because it seems to | have more of what I want in a sandbox than the other packages I'm | playing with. | | From the SPE page - I already had MacPython Add-Ons and Blender so I | followed the wxPython link to wxpython.org/download.php#prerequisites | and downloaded and installed | wxPython2.5-osx-unicode-2.5.4.1-panther-py2.3dmg. I could have also | downloaded the osx-ansi binary but did not as yet? | Lee, My build of SPE doesn't work with wxPy 2.5.4.1--it's fine with the older version, 2.5.3.x. I believe a new version of SPE has just been released that fixes this. I'm going to check it out and see if everything's OK, but it will be a few days before I can get to it. I'll post when I've verified that everything's OK. Kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCSw49JmdQs+6YVcoRAvI+AJ9gGTp8IfHPSlqTVPPhf4JzBm+tPgCfVKIg g5dDgiOTyb1RzjyhRHq1a9g= =nnm4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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appscript and XXXX - what is my app instance returning?
by me March 30, 2005

March 30, 2005

I am having much fun with appscript and QuarkXpress6.x The appscript module is such a fantastic piece of code. It lets novices wander right into the thick of AppleScript without requiring intimate knowledge of AppleScript's eccentricities. Unfortunately, when you do get lost like I am. You're completely lost. """ Would someone please share their method for figuring out what my app instance is returning, and how I can coerce that into a form I can utilize? """ In case you are not familiar with QuarkXpress, it is a Professional Desktop Publishing App with a completely object oriented element model. Virtually every nuance of every element of every document of every window is exposed to AppleScript. Hence appscript has a very rich playground to wrap. I've tried using dir() and end up in endless loops of auto-created stem code, with methods and classes pointing everywhere. Wow, there is a LOT of it available in layers like an onion. Too bad I am such a NOOB other things I've tried. . . Quark = appscript.app('QuarkXpress') pw = Quark.documents[1].page_width #This is what I want >>> type(pw) <class 'appscript.specifier.Specifier'> >>> pw.get() <_AE.AEDesc object at 0x1181c38> >>> type(pw.get()) <type '_AE.AEDesc'> >>> pw.help() =================================================================== Appscript Help (-t) Reference: app(u'/Applications/QuarkXPress 6.1/QuarkXPress').documents[1].page_width ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Description of reference Property: page_width : k.horizontal_measurement (r/o) -- the width of a page in this document Terminology for horizontal_measurement class Class: horizontal_measurement -- =================================================================== OK, I think pw.get() returns an instance of a horizontal_measurement. Where do I go from here? Much Thanks

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SPE-OSX
by Kevin Walzer March 30, 2005

March 30, 2005

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lee, I'm the maintainer of SPE-OSX. You can e-mail me with questions at the address above, although I'm also subscribed to the PythonMac list. What version of wxPython are you using? I have not updated my build of SPE to work with the latest version: mine still runs against 2.5.3.1. I believe the developer has just released an updated version: I'll track that down in the next couple of days and try to get a new build posted to my website. SPE is very actively developed, and there is a mailing list. The main SPE site is http://spe.pycs.net. Hope this helps. - -- Cheers, Kevin Walzer, PhD WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X http://www.wordtech-software.com http://www.smallbizmac.com http://www.kevin-walzer.com mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCSrInJmdQs+6YVcoRAsrTAJ4l3Vrlc9ElugQDa0eMbMUAP+pAjACfV0PY dYXYkeYlUTgJXtpsV35QRTI= =uD68 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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